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My First Anus

Discussion in 'Recording' started by ranus, Jan 3, 2003.

  1. ranus

    ranus Guest

    I am a newbie to building my own pc. A have a couple of questions....

    First, is newegg.com a reputable online dealer?

    Here is my list so far:
    AHANIX ROMEO (RED) 11-BAY MID TOWER PC CASE
    ENERMAX EG365P-VE(FM). 350W Power supply
    SAMSUNG 1.44MB FLOPPY DRIVE
    MATROX G550 32MB
    Maxtor 40GB 7200RPM Hard Drive Model
    WD WESTERN DIGITAL "SPECIAL EDITION" 120GB 7200RPM EIDE
    ASUS P4PE/R/L/SATA Motherboard
    Intel Pentium 4 2.4BGHz 512K 533MHz CPU Northwood P478 Processor

    Am I on the right track here? What else do I need as far as cables?

    Thanks for your help!
     
  2. Tore Nylund

    Tore Nylund Guest

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    Then you need a good soundcard.
    A second monitor?
    OS?
    Good luck!
    I've just built my first computer just a few days ago... and next week I will start on my next one.
    This place has been so helpful with everything.
     
  3. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Hey Ranus...How's your ANUS!! lmao! Did you choose that name based on the Anus? :p
    Good job if so!
    Welcome to RO :c: and the ANUS club! I'm not only an addict but I'm the president! Hee hee!
    Anyhue...Tore is correct...DDR 333 PC 2700...Kingston actually is nice. I've always had great success with it...a lot of people like Samsung as well..
    Make sure you have some ATA100 80pin cables...this will get you UDMA5.
    Just disable the onboard SATA and RAID and you'll be good to go! Make sure you update the BIOS to V1002 for that board. Asus makes it real easy to do so by pressing ALT F2 on boot up and then you just load the BIOS via floppy and you're good to go!
    high recommendation is to get some good thermal paste for the processor...remove what's on their with some rubbing alocohol and apply some Arctic Thermal(AC3) paste and it will help keeo your temps down..
    Any other questions feel free to ask!
    Cheers
    Opus
     
  4. Pez

    Pez Active Member

    Newegg seems to be okay. I bought my parts from them when I built my audio computer. I had a few bad parts but they replaced them with no hassles whatsoever. Make sure your fans are quiet if you plan on tracking in the computer room.
     
  5. Arranger

    Arranger Active Member

    Thanks for the BIOS info, OPUS. I'm booting my p4pe today for the first time. I got the BIOS off ASUS this AM and am ready to go.

    Wish me luck!
     
  6. ranus

    ranus Guest

    Thanks for the info!

    Am I to assume that the cables I need don't come with the Motherboard and I need to order them seperately?

    Sorry if this is a dumb question...
     
  7. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Ranus
    No, the motherboard comes with one 40pin/80 Conductor ATA100 cable, One 40pin/40 conductor ATA66 Cable and one Floppy cable. It's best to get a second ATA100 cable for the secondary IDE controller.
    HTH
    Opus
     
  8. Arranger

    Arranger Active Member

    Well, I was somewhat successful with my initial build, but have a couple issues. Perhaps someone could lend their expertise:

    First, the updated BIOS didn't take when I went to read it off the floppy. It wouldn't recognize the file at first (I did unzip it!), then the next time it warned me of a incompatability. Is this because I didn't do the update immediately before making some other configurations? Wierd.

    So, after this hiccup I'm wondering, what this update would provide for me. My system is working well at the moment. Is there a necessary enhancement that I'm not aware of?

    Thanks again, all.
     
  9. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    did you type the new BIOS name as P4PE1002.awd? if not it won't do it...that's probably why it didn't take...also make sure you got the correct language/region version. English(obviously) is the one you want.
    The updates I believe correct some CPU temp readings and other misc features that are worth it..I also think they fix some hyperthreading thang but I can't remember
    Opus
     
  10. Arranger

    Arranger Active Member

    Thanks, OPUS. Yes, that's the exact file name alright. Somehow it won't take. I'll try another disc when I get out to buy some fresh floppies. All of mine are at least three years old!

    I can't remember the last I bought floppies.
     
  11. Tore Nylund

    Tore Nylund Guest

    OPUS:
    Ooops... My processor is 4 2.4BGHz 512K 533MHz CPU Northwood P478 Processor , so should I remove that black Thermal tape and apply AC3 instead?
    Talking about temperature, I have 2 questions:
    1. To monitor the CPU temperature, is the software that comes with the mobo good enough?
    2.How high can the CPU temperature be before I risk to damage the processor?

    Talking about buying an extra ATA100 cable... are those rounded IDE-cables worth going for? They say they're good if you want to keep the air flow in your case... They cost a little bit more but if
    they reduce the CPU-temperature just a little bit I'll go for them.

    Updating BIOS:
    By the way, I've just built the computor for my mother-in-law, and I found out that the manual (both paper and read-me-file) is wrong about the location of the "AFLASH.EXE" on the CD.(AFLASH is a program to save the original BIOS set-up on a floppy disk)
    It's very hard to find out when you're working in DOS. The correct path should be "D:softwareaflash" instead of "D:aflash

    Hopefully this manual-mistake is corrected on later mobos ( this was ASUS P4B266 SE)
     
  12. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Tore
    Yes, it's highly recommended to use a better thermal paste to lower heat temps...
    typical temps with a stock heat sink should be around 40c on a idel load and about 45-50c on a full load...maybe a bit higher too.
    If it starts to get around 70c or higher...start thinking about some more fans or to get the thermal paste. The CPU can handle it and will autmotically adjust itself. I never installed the Asus Probe stuff...I usually use Sandra or WCPUID to monitor it.
    Also the newer Asus boards have the EZ flash where all you need to do is hit ALT F2 and it automatically launches the BIOS updater! No more Aflash needed man! It's very very nice indeed!
    Cheers
    Opus
     
  13. Tore Nylund

    Tore Nylund Guest

    Thanx again OPUS for this information.
    I went out today to look for Arctic Thermal(AC3) paste... I couldn't Find it. Was it maybe AS3 that you meant?
    By the way... I got my case today! So tomorrow I will start to build my DAW... I'm sooo excited.
    I'm starting to like this PC-building process... I think that I have to start building DAW's for all my friends.
    OPUS, you're such an inspiration!
     
  14. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Doh....AS3 it is indeed...that's what you get when you read a bunch of techie posts where numbers, specs, names and all sorts of geek related topics fly around like $*^t through a fan! :D
     
  15. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    Definately use the Arctic Silver 3 ... it DOES give you a few extra degrees of difference compared to tape or that white pastey junk.
    I bought a couple of those round IDE cables, and they're now sitting in one of my parts boxes. For one thing, the end boots are funky, and dont cover the ends of the wires when they're bent in the least bit. Removing them from drives is more difficult than flat cables. Also, 80-wire UATA flat leads are constructed in a way that every other wire acts as an insulator. When you run individual wires through a plastic sheath, you don't have that insulation. I sort-of "roll" my flat cables, now, and rubber-band them (thus rounding them) to allow for the air-flow benefit. It doesn't look as cool as the colored rounded cables, but it allows you the benefits of the flat cables with better airflow. However, I only "roll" the long part of the cable, not the short section between drives.
    In this thread, I didn't see you mention your CPU heatsink/fan. Do you intend to use the stock items? That'll work, but with a GOOD aftermarket unit, you'll reap many advantages. I know a lot of guys here use the stock units, but I definately would not.
     
  16. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Actually SOS the stock Intel heatsink is great! Very quiet and very efficient especially with the AS3 compound! Most [H]ard forum guys that OC are doing great with it! Just an FYI!
    You don't have to spend the extra cash on a special heatsink.
    As far as the cables go...I do the same exact thing as SOS in regards to rolling them up so to speak. It's more of a bundling them so that they are out of the way type of thang.
    Opus
     
  17. Tore Nylund

    Tore Nylund Guest

    OPUS,
    I had to spend all night in the studio last night so I had no time for my ANUS. But tonight I'm starting. I have a few questions about the BIOS setup. Anything that I should think about?
    I have ASUS P4B533-V, do I need to update BIOS?
    I will disable "MOBO-audio"... but can I keep the LAN? I'd really like to be able to transfer files from my other computor.
    Then when I install Win XP-pro... and I format my HD's you said somewhere should be configured as this:
    OS-drive: Primary
    Audio-drive: Extended
    Should I make any partitions on the drives?
    I just thought since their rather large drives
    (OS 60 Gb, Audio 120 Gb) it should save some time when you "defrag" them if they were in 2 partitions. Or would that slow down the system?
    I also remember that somewhere you said that you should do some changes with the "writing procedure" on the OS-drive, but I just can't find that thread.
    I'd be very grateful if you could answer this.
    Here's my system:
    Asus P4B533-V w/ P4 2.4Ghz with 533 FSB
    512 Samsung PC2700 DDR 333
    Western Digital 120GB JB (8 Mb cache)
    Seagate Barracuda 60GB ( OS-drive)
    Lite-on CD-RW
    Chieftec case
    Win XP Pro
    ATI Rage Pro (32 MB) Video Card
    RME-Hammerfall LE (Soundcard)
    Cubase SX
    Logic Audio
     
  18. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    I know that most people use the stock HS/fan on the P4s, with decent results for overclocking. I just feel that when it comes to cooling, the more the merrier. The more you overclock, the more benefit you receive from a more-efficient CPU cooling solution. My reasoning is that if you spend $50 on an awesome cooler, it's smart money spent to protect and extend the life of your $200+ CPU. Whether you overclock or not, depending which HS/fan upgrade you choose, if you're running 5 to 10 degrees cooler, that's a GOOD thing, and well worth the money invested. And of course, if you are overclocking to the highest possible stable limit, the better your CPU is cooled, the higher you'll be able to go.
    I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to take this opportunity to also discuss cooling other system components. The case fans on my new peecee are relatively less loud than most that I've heard on other peecees, including the other two in my house, yet I find that they're the only fans that I hear. I don't notice any extra noise being generated by the fans inside my computer. I recently replaced the stock fan on my Radeon 9000 Pro and the heatsink on my mobo northbridge with Thermaltake Crystal Orbs, and installed a Vantec harddrive cooler which has 2 fans. I don't hear them at all. Zilch. There's a total of 7 fans in my puter, yet it's what I consider to be very reaonable in terms of db, since all I actually hear is the case fans. And remember that my peecee doesn't have the metal sides on it, I use the fiber filters for sides. With the metal sides on, my peecee runs hotter and is noticeably louder, so that's a no-no.
     
  19. Tore Nylund

    Tore Nylund Guest

    SOS, I will use the stock Intel heatsink/fan now... This is my first DAW and maybe I'll do it different later or next time. That advice to skip the Intel Thermal tape and go for the Artic Silver
    made a "3-day-delay"...since it was hard to find. I can't wait any longer.
    About cooling the CPU, I thought that maybe I should keep my DAW on the balcony? It was minus 20 C here two days ago...Then I can really overclock it. :D

    BTW, Sos, Do you use any fans for your HD's?
    Do you think I'll need it?
     
  20. Arranger

    Arranger Active Member

    OPUS, where do I aquire these monitoring applications?

    Thanks.
     

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