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my old ART Pro MPA , should I re- tube it with ??

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by Bobby Loux, Jan 29, 2003.

  1. Bobby Loux

    Bobby Loux Active Member

    I was wondering would it be worth putting in different/better tubes to improve my old ART Pro MPA or just contact ART for replacements?

    if different tubes are advised, what should I put in that beast?

    thank you
  2. Katiedawg

    Katiedawg Active Member

    I bought one of those early on. Changing the tubes made a really big difference. I swapped the OEMs out with Mullard NOS. No, it's not a DW Fearn now, but it's much better than it has any right to be.
  3. Bobby Loux

    Bobby Loux Active Member

    thanks, thats good to know. is thar what ART puts in those pre's, the OEM's?...so sovtek isnt a good idea?

  4. Katiedawg

    Katiedawg Active Member

    OEM refers to the original (and factory replacement) equipment. NOS means "New Old Stock," which is the only way you'll get Mullard tubes. Or used, on eBay.

    I was fortunate enough (when still practicing the engineering profession in broadcasting) to come across a cache of Mullard and RCA black plate 12AX7 tubes at a radio station I was working for over the weekend. I offered to clean out the transmitter building, and haul off the junk to the dump. The tubes were part of the deal.

    Hey...they were about to back a pickup truck up to the back door and throw the whole pile of tube stock away. I just gave them a much better home than the landfill.
  5. pponomarev

    pponomarev Guest

    I was wondering about this issue too ... That is, could I buy an ART tube MP, and switch the tubes until it sounded better.

    I know that pre-amp tubes don't need to be biased in guitar amps (just power tubes). I'm not sure about mic pre-amp systems, though.
  6. Bobby Loux

    Bobby Loux Active Member


    I called ART and they told me that if a better tube was going to make there units sound better, that they would of put the better tube in them. with that said, its hard to believe they would spend that kind of money by putting a telefunken tube or equivilant in those units.

    I'm still researching. Does anyone know what tube type Avalon uses in their pieces?
  7. Katiedawg

    Katiedawg Active Member

    Well...I don't give a rip what ART says. Anyone can hear the difference between the OEM 12AX7 and the Mullard 12AX7.

    Of course, ART *could* be referring to the tube type, and not the brand. 12AT7 vs 12AX7 vs 12BY7. Or, they could be referring to tubes that they can get a regular supply of. You have to remember that these Mullard/Telefunken/RCA/Tungsol etc. tubes haven't been made in years. Finding a load of them in new condition is almost unheard of, and ART (or anyone else) couldn't reasonably expect to make a large production run with genuine NOS Mullard (or any other) tubes.

    But...again...the Mullards (same type as the OEMs) greatly improved the sound.
  8. coldsnow

    coldsnow Active Member

    I tried swaping with some Telefunkens and old RCA's. To me the difference was slight but it did improve. Remember most of the amp circuit isn't tube based so you are not changing the majority of the signal path.

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