I have been working witha rock band for a while now. These guys are way above par as for a players. The tunes are great. Its all great I think. So, the problem is this. They are convinced that you have to add like 12 db shelves to low end on all the drum channels and bass channels. And they think you have to add 15 db of hi end to all channels. No matter what I say, they are convinced that they are right. They want to sound like disturbed and sevendust and tool. I make rough mixes for them all the time, mixed how I think is the right way. And they are never happy with it. I go for real solid low end where the bass and drums are really pumping the mix together and hi end that doesnt rip your ears off. You know, something pleasing to listen to that kinda makes you focus on the vocals. Oh, and the vocals, "we want that AM radio, no tone vocal sound on all the verses. These guys can sing their asses off. All the tunes are built up with hugh 3 and 4 part harmony BGVs. The whole style is very KingsX. There cant be any high end in the bass. None at all. So I tried to start mixing this stuff like they want. Crank up the lows, crank up the highs, bury the shitty 2k vocal. Wash the whole thing out with reverb. Its the most hard to listen to $*^t Ive ever heard. The high end makes you squint. The kick drum flops around like a fish. The toms dominate the mix. And guess what. They love it. "hear all that high end" they say smiling. I mix all kinds of music all the time, as all of us do. Everything else I do they say "that is the perfect sound,... for that." I think someone taught them to say that, I hope it wasnt me. So we talk about it. They tell me, "whay arent we using the technology, we have all this bad ass digital gear and eqs, but you dont want to use them." I say back, "I just want to use them for their intended purpose, If you want pantera kick drum sounds, then do what they did, click pads and triggers, maybe get your drummer to lighten up a touch so the drum can breath a little(the drummer hits way too hard)." They are also convinced that I am plain wrong about the abuse of samples in the studio. "I saw a picture of disturbed in the studio and they had all these drums set up with mics all over them, and your telling me they use triggers?" I ve tried to explain that in mastering it can all get compressed to hell and as long as the mix is relating to its self a good mastering engineer can **** this all up just like you want it. They dont believe that either. Im stuck. There is no getting through to them, and the kicker.... I do all their $*^t for free! Its my roommates band, they've been close friends of mine for years now. So my question to everyone is this..... How do you deal with these types of clients? I'm doing it for free cause they are good, and I thought that end the end the quality of the project would make it worth while, but if I mix this stuff the way they want me too, I will be embarresed to ever let anyone hear it. I dont care what the project sounds like anymore. They have completely drained all my enthuasium. What bugs me is that I feel like I cant explain myself to them. I say, "you just can't boost 15db of lows and highs on everything" "why not" "cause it sounds like $*^t" "no it doesnt, it sounds great!" Surely some of you have delt with this before. Where is the damn light at the end of this tunnel?! Sorry I'm so long winded about this.