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Need Help Hooking My 60's Fender amp Directly To My Mac

Discussion in 'Recording' started by MTPAPA121, Nov 29, 2008.

  1. MTPAPA121

    MTPAPA121 Guest

    Recently i got a mac and one of the reasons i did so is for garage band. but anyways i recorded one song, did all the parts. it came out great. But now im working on a new song. what im trying to do is plug my 1960's fender amp into my mac so i can get the same distorted sound that the amp produces. the amp has a plug in the back for EXT. Speaker ive tried plugging that into the line in on my mac, doesnt register at all. thats all i usually do is plug my guitar or bass in with and instrument cable to head phone jack adapter to the line in, that works for me fine. but is there any way i can get this to work. 60's fender amps sound so great when the break up.
     
  2. AudioGeezer

    AudioGeezer Active Member

  3. MTPAPA121

    MTPAPA121 Guest

    ????????? and thats supposed to mean????????
     
  4. AudioGeezer

    AudioGeezer Active Member

    don't plug a speaker output into a line input
     
  5. MTPAPA121

    MTPAPA121 Guest

    i did stop i only tried once. is there a way to do it with this set up?
     
  6. AudioGeezer

    AudioGeezer Active Member

    Micing the amp is the only way to capture what your Fender really does.

    Some direct boxes have a resistor circuit that allows you to take the speaker out back to a line in. I'm not really a fan of that method. Other techie types could explain how you could rig up a loading resistor on the speaker out and take that to a line in. Some could even explain how you can simulate the reactive load the speaker has on the amp out.

    I'd put a mic on it.
     
  7. MTPAPA121

    MTPAPA121 Guest

    what if i tried going through a stereo then using the stereo phone 1/4" jack to goto line in?
     
  8. Greener

    Greener Guest

    You are going to melt something. Can you film it?
    Oh, and STOP is classic advice. About the only thing that could be said.
     
  9. Kapt.Krunch

    Kapt.Krunch Well-Known Member

    The fact that you don't seem to understand signal levels very well means it's a good thing you are asking. Don't plug a speaker out jack into ANYTHING except a speaker or a possibly a properly made "power soak" type of contraption.

    You'll gain nothing by running a guitar through a stereo. And, it won't turn a mono guitar fed through only one channel into stereo....so WHY do you need a "stereo plug"?

    The sound comes from more than just the electronics. The speaker has a LOT to do with it. Unless you just like fizzy distortion. Then, just get a fuzz pedal.

    I imagine you may do as you have been doing and will ask more questions about how to connect things improperly....while ignoring good advice. That's OK. You'll soon learn that if you actually take some advice, instead of bullheadedly trudging against the current, that you'll learn some valuable things.

    Stick a mic in front of it. Get a POD or similiar unit. Plug guitar straight into computer (through direct box") then apply guitar amp emulation software, or run it back out to "reamp".

    Quit trying to connect stuff up that'll burn down your house, or at least melt down gear. Learn about signal levels...mic, line, guitar, speaker...etc...and see why we are telling you this. Just because something has an output, and something else has an input...it doesn't mean you can connect them. LEARN THIS STUFF, before you blow up all your gear.

    Kapt.Krunch
     
  10. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Since you have a computer....or maybe NOT at this time.....go online and look up any number of primers on recording equipment, musical equipment etc.

    Or go ahead and toast all your gear. Since its the holidays, I'm sure any number of retailers will welcome you in to sell you a WHOLE NEW SET OF GEAR since the last set will be a slag heap sitting in your room.
     
  11. MTPAPA121

    MTPAPA121 Guest

    You guys are brutal. A few things about your post....... you said my guitar was mono? well its not its an ES 345 thats stereo. and thats not what im trying to accomplish. I never said run the guitar through my stereo i said the AMP. the whole purpose of this post was to capture the sound of the amp's distortion, reverb and equalizer levels. And No im not gannna just get a Fuzz petal, they all sound like trash. the sound im looking for is in this amp. So guys thanks foe giving me a 90% chance of never returning to this forum.
     
  12. AudioGeezer

    AudioGeezer Active Member

    Just trying to help you not blow up your stuff. Don't go away mad. You ask for advice. Accept it or not. It's not rocket surgery.

    Make sure you wear shoes when you're playing your guitar.
     
  13. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    The brutality comes from all of us being agast at you hooking up something will only take a nanosecond to fry your computer . You're EXTREMELY lucky it didnt toast your soundcard when you hooked it up the first time. My guess is you didnt plug it in properly in the first place or you had something disabled or it SHOULD have taken out anything in its path .

    The voltage OUT of a speaker output is quite a bit even with a low-wattage amp such as a Deluxe or a Princeton. It is certainly MUCH more than the millivolts a guitar or a bass pickup puts out and in the case of a TUBE AMP is an unregulated and variable voltage based on how hard the string is plucked, what the tone controls are set on and how loud the volume pot is set.

    These are all things you should spend the time to learn about before doing things like this.

    So you got a little wrist slap. If you dont like it, use the other 10% and dont come back.

    But be sure you know what you're doing in the future. It will save you lots of money, time, and posible physical harm.

    Good luck getting any DIFFERENT advice elsewhere.
     
  14. djmukilteo

    djmukilteo Well-Known Member

    If I understand your question correctly...I think maybe you want to use a mic in front of your amp in order to capture what your hearing from the amp that you like...I think you should actually do both!
    Hookup a mic in front of the amp and set the level for that and then take a direct feed from your guitar and set the level for that and record both on separate tracks....from there you could mix a little or a lot of either together and maybe come up with the sound your looking for...
     
  15. Kapt.Krunch

    Kapt.Krunch Well-Known Member

    Actually, you DID ask about running through a stereo. It's your 4th post, and that's why I answered. And, we weren't being brutal...we were trying to get your attention before you fried something, or yourself.

    So, you've got a "stereo" ES345....which is not REALLY stereo...it's two different outputs from two pickups that sound different because of their positions...but we'll not nitpick about that. They did market them as stereo. Even that could be useful by running each into a computer, because it will give you two tones of the same performance to mess with.

    Even at that, your reasoning is off, because your first statement was running it out of a 60's Fender amp's speaker output...which is NOT stereo. So, why should we not have assumed it was a mono signal?

    Basically, you are being defensive without considering any of the possible remedies, and ignoring the suggestions to learn about this stuff. There are things out there that will allow you record direct, things that will tap the speaker out to run direct, emulators, and the best way...to mic it up. Some amps have line outs that you might be able to use...but even running a properly built speaker-tapped device will not sound the same as it does through a speaker.

    If you've never successfully recorded the amp in a manner that you describe, you can't have any idea how it will sound, so you don't even really know what sound you will capture. It won't sound like it does through the speaker.

    So...instead of saying "Thanks, I'll consider some of the things you guys advised, and do some research so I have a better understanding of what I might be able to do", you avoided acknowledging that anything sunk in, and only wanted to either run the guitar through the stereo, or worse...run the amp through the stereo.

    Sometimes, it pays to heed advice, to do some recommended research, and to acknowledge that you were helped. It also helps to have a bit of a thick skin, and be able to take a jab or two. Sometimes it's best to get someone's attention by waking them up rudely, instead of just letting them drive off the road.

    Kapt.Krunch
     
  16. MTPAPA121

    MTPAPA121 Guest

    Ok so ive learned that its bad to plug anything but a speaker into a speaker out because there is more voltage. So, how can i properly mic this amp?
     
  17. Greener

    Greener Guest

    What kind of sound are you after?

    I have an Edirol US-25 and a Sure SM57 and I use this to DI and re-amp. The quality is on par with the talent. :)
     
  18. AudioGeezer

    AudioGeezer Active Member

    The closer the mic is to the center of the speaker the brighter (more high frequency content) the sound will have. The farther out to the edge the warmer (less high frequency content) the sound will have. I usually start somewhere in between the center and outer edge about an inch or two from the speaker. Move to taste. Small movements will cause fairly drastic changes. Have fun moving the mic around and listen to the differences. The further away from the speaker you place the mic, the less differences you'll hear in the scenario described.

    It can also be fun to add a second mic in the room. You might start with the second mic where your head is. If you like the way it sounds where your head is you might like the way a mic sounds there. Try plugging one finger in your ear, the mic can't rationalize directional cues like you can with 2 ears.

    Have fun. Come back and tell us what you think
     
  19. Kapt.Krunch

    Kapt.Krunch Well-Known Member

    NOW, we're having fun! :cool:

    And to continue, there ARE more safe(r) ways that you can take an amp speaker out, and take a recorded signal and run it back into an amp. Here's a few:

    http://www.radialeng.com/re-jdx.htm

    http://www.radialeng.com/di-xamp.htm

    http://www.thdelectronics.com/product_page_hotplate.html

    I've used a Hotplate on some smaller amps, and it's kind of cool. (I would NOT let my buddy connect my vintage Marshall to one!)

    Use at your own risk, though they ARE designed for that...(I just don't trust them THAT much).

    Kapt.Krunch
     
  20. MTPAPA121

    MTPAPA121 Guest

    Ok my dad had 4 mics laying around and i just tried one micing one of my stereo speakers to see what kind of sound i would get. but the only think im having trouble with is do i position the mic on its side with the body of the mic running parallel with the front of the speaker cabinet or straight out so its kinda coming out of the cone of the speaker?
     

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