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Need help replacing drums...

Discussion in 'Drums' started by Lunybird, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. Lunybird

    Lunybird Guest

    Is there an easy way to replace drums in pro tools? I am doing a session right now, but can't afford the sound replacer plug-in. I have a great kick sample i would like to replace/mix my original with. Any tips?
  2. MadTiger3000

    MadTiger3000 Active Member

    I don't use Pro Tools, but the problem-solving methodology I would use would be to use the kick drum track as a trigger for the MIDI track with the new kick sample. There are several ways of going about this using hardware as well as software.

    Help, anyone?
  3. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    You can try Drumagog for 14 days.
  4. I definitely recommend Drumagog. Apply the plugin on the drum track you are wanting to sample, and then set the output of that track to a bus of your choice. Create a new audio track and set the input of that track to accept the bus you assigned the drum track to. Turn the new track on Record and Input monitor modes and play the track and expirement with the sounds on drumagog until you find a good one (tweaked as you wish). Then record the new samples through the song onto the new track. Zoom in on it and line it up... there is usually some latency, so nudge it up. Also, I've noticed the very first sample is sometimes a little off from the others, so you may need to nudge that one more/less than the others. If you need help, let me know.
  5. Music_Junky

    Music_Junky Active Member

    Ok I have been trying to decide whether í should buy a plug in like drumagog and I have one question.

    If i want to make my own samples like kick for instance how do I know how long that sample should be? That is how much silence before kick and how much after the kick?
  6. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    No silence before the kick and just enough time after the kick's initial transient to let it die away to silence.

    Drumagog is cool in that it will randomly select a sample to play for sucessive MIDI notes of similar velocity, so be sure to record at least a couple of hits for each dynamic level, and, of course, be sure to record hits at each dynamic level. Drumagog will appropriately select between these, too.
  7. Music_Junky

    Music_Junky Active Member

    Thank you for your quick reply :)

    Just to be sure i got it right. I record a few kick hits and lets say i store them in a folder called deepKick. Will I then say drumagog to use this folder and it will select a sample that fits best to my original track?
  8. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    Drumagog will analyze the samples in the folder based on level. It will group samples that are similar in level and select from them randomly when the level of the original kick is similar (calibrated by you). This is obviously done to avoid hearing the exact same sample many times in a row. If I were recording for Drumagog, I would probably record four hits at eight dynamic levels.
  9. Music_Junky

    Music_Junky Active Member

    Cool thank you!
  10. I agree with Mr. French in that Drumagog is very cool... and very smart.
  11. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    I've only just noticed,

    Music_Junky ... Dóri... Reykjavík, Iceland


    I saw a documentary recently, that suggested everyone in Iceland is in a band ... or has been in a band ...

    so! off topic .. I know


    greeetings to all from Iceland
  12. Music_Junky

    Music_Junky Active Member

    hehe maybe not everyone but most of us.

    But we watch Neigbours ;)
  13. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    don't tell anyone ... so do I
  14. SirZeusor

    SirZeusor Guest

    Drumagog is the answer to your problem
    i have people in my home studio all the time that have un-tuned drums or very bad sounding kits
    what i did was i took a laptop, a 57, and an interface to my friends house who is a killer drummer, and knows how to make them sound realy good.
    we hit each individual drum, saved them as labled wave files
    then opened drumagog, and replaced the crap sounding ones, with the samples i created.
    if the drummers kit sounds like crap, they probably wont even realize that you replaced there drums....in the long run, they will learn how to make them sound cool, and thank you for the Band Aid you just gave them.

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