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Need microphone suggestions for RecorderMan method

Discussion in 'Microphones' started by lazyshark, Jan 6, 2006.

  1. lazyshark

    lazyshark Guest

    Hi.. I'm new here! Came here via a link to the RecorderMan method thread. Just starting out with this whole home recording studio thing, and I'd like to try out the RecorderMan method on my drums. But I need some suggestions for some microphones. I need a pair of microphones that I can use for both overhead, and later for close mic'ing the snare/kick drum. (I only have two inputs). And, of course, I'm on a budget (I can swing $300-$400, maybe $500 for a pair). I've looked at the SM57s, Nady CM90, and a bunch of others. But some reviews say those are good for this, but not so good on, say the kick, and vice versa. If the mic can do guitar cabs or acoustic guitars well as well, that's of course a bonus. I have a pair of SM58s (kick drum?) and a ADK A-51. So any recommendations would be great. Thanks!

  2. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Moderator

    Feb 23, 2005
    You can probably fit a 58 in for the snare. Basically it's a 57 with a pop screen ball on it. You might even find that an errant drumstick will do it less harm than the 57's plastic cap. For kick, look at an Audio-Technica AT825, or a Sennheiser MD421II. The AT is great on lowend instruments and is very tough. Also cheaper. The Senny is a classic and great on lots of stuff. An E-V RE20 is also great on kick, plus all sorts of others. Either of those last 2 will be talented workhorses down the road.The RE20 is practically bullet-proof. Yo might consider putting your $$$ into 1 of those great mics and use the 58 on snare. My 2 cents...
  3. lazyshark

    lazyshark Guest

    Thanks for your reply. I'll look into those. But what about overhead? I need a matched pair for the RecorderMan method of recording drums. Any suggestions?
  4. IIRs

    IIRs Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2005
    My Rode NT5s are good.

    Also consider the SE Electronics SE1 or SE3 pairs.
  5. Thomaster

    Thomaster Guest

    for cheap mics, i highly suggest a pair of audiotechnica's condensers (i think the model was something like AT3040 or something like that.)
    they sound amazing! especially with a good tuned kit, and the recorderman method. what i do is use the recorderman method, but aim the mics for the middle toms, and then use a 57 on the snare, those combined have a very nice, sorta aggressive sound.
  6. lazyshark

    lazyshark Guest

    Thanks. I did a google for audio technica AT3040, and I only got 5 results. Which I find weird. On the audio technica site they only have AT3031 and AT3032, in the 30 series/pencil type condensers. Are these very different (one is cardoid, one is omni)?
  7. Thomaster

    Thomaster Guest

    i'm sorry but i cant figure out the exact type-name anymore :cry:

    i looked it up on the audiotechnica site, but all the 'AT' models were larger than the ones i used.
    i remember them being small, somewhat like the 'PRO 37' model

    my closest guess would be either the PRO37 or the AT4041

  8. Thomaster

    Thomaster Guest

    you could also try using C3000 AKG microphones.
    i've used them a couple of times as i couldn't get anything better fast.

    they sound pretty decent in a sort of x/y or recorderman OH placement in my experience.

    just try out some stuff
    borrow from friends or whatever
  9. mrufino1

    mrufino1 Active Member

    Apr 16, 2005
    Are you planning on overdubbing? If you only have two inputs you'd need to either submix or overdub, in which case the overheads will serve a different purpose anyway. Why not try mono drums, 58 in the kick, a-51 on overhead, move it until it sounds good, use some compression, you may like it. You'll probably need to play wiht the 58 and add some eq too, since it's not really a kick mic, but Chili Peppers did use a 57 on kick on Blood Sugar Sex Magic and it sounds great (I think). Look at some Beatles pictures of how they mic'ed up Ringo's drums, it's a similar concept. I have gotten the best drum sounds for me yet this way, although the mics were a little different (A-51 with the royer mod on OH or my chea ribbon mic, sennheiser 602 in the kick which belonged to another guy in the band). You can hear those on Harveymoon.com , in the audio section under preproductions tracks if you want to hear how it sounded. All done on my mbox, so I only had two simultaneous inputs too.
  10. vladlv

    vladlv Guest

    For Kick
    Use Retrigger/Sound Replace with a sample

    And Save: Time/Money
  11. wayout

    wayout Guest

    Why not TRY to record the actual drums!!?!?!

  12. took-the-red-pill

    took-the-red-pill Active Member

    Jan 10, 2005
    Near Clagary
    Home Page:
    If it were me and I were on a budget, I'd use my 58's on kick and snare, and I'd buy a matched pair of KEL HM-1's for overheads. Are they the greatest mic ever built? No, but they are also a hundred bones a pop. The reviews here are pretty good, and I like mine. They're 1/2" condensers, with no boost in the highs that most other cheap mic makers include. It comes out a bit flatter, and doesn't sound as juicy on the high end, but they do the trick. They seem to sound pretty natural to my ears. Probably KEL.com, or maybe KEL.ca(they're Canadian)

    The upside is that if you have 2 dyanmics and 2 condensers you have more variety in the sounds you're able to achieve.

    by the way, a little off topic, but....

    Yeah, they used hundred dollar SM57's on kick and snare on Blood Sugar Sex Magic, but they were running it through pres at a thousand bucks a channel. Many a great recording was made with a cheap mic, but few if any were ever done through cheap pres.

    Think of the mic as the car, and the pre-amp as the engine. An old rusted Dodge Dart with a 429 Hemi will go like hell, but an VW engine in a Porsche won't even get you to the grocery store.

    My two bits.

  13. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    Jan 31, 2005
    Lowell MA
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    Id only use the Kel HM-1s if you have a good room. they are a very open mic..they'll pick up everything. I returned my pair of HM-1s compared to other cardiod mics i've used it picks up more more "room". if that makes sense...
  14. Midlandmorgan

    Midlandmorgan Active Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    I use the referenced setup quite a lot...with this:

    Overhead and side mics - ADK A51 Ser III (important detail about the ser III...the other A51s I have tried just did not cut it IMO...) through a pair of OSA MP1C

    Kick - SM7 through ADesigns EM Silver card
    Snare - EV DS35, SM57, or AKG D202 via ADesigns P1 card

    Works well for me...
  15. lazyshark

    lazyshark Guest

    Thanks for all the great replies guys. I have some reviews to read, and money to count I guess. :)

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