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Neumann Question TLM193 v. U87ai

Discussion in 'Microphones' started by profesrgeo, Apr 2, 2001.

  1. profesrgeo

    profesrgeo Guest

    Hi Fletcher, and everyone,


    Anyone know what the differences are between these two mics?
    I know the 193 is cardioid only and the U87 is multi.
    What are the diffrences/similarities in design (I assume single v. dual diaphragm? capsule? electronics?) and sonic signature.

    Thanks in advance...
    geo
     
  2. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    One's a pretty damn good utility mic...and the other one's a cardioid only piece of $*^t...YMMV.
     
  3. osmuir

    osmuir Member

    now now fletcher, is the tlm 193 really that bad?

    you do sell it, after all...

    you aren't suposed to sell total ass...

    --owen
     
  4. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Actually, while we're Neumann dealers, I don't believe we offer that particular turd for sale. I know I've talked several clients out of getting one over the years, and would probably send them somewhere else to purchase one if they insisted on getting one.

    The problem lies in the 'unconditional return policy'...see, they're not going to be happy with the mic, so it's going to be returned. When it's returned, it's not like we'd ever use it, nor would we sell it to anyone else...so it would be an entirely wasted investment.

    We tend to piss on our shoes as infrequently as possible...though it's not always possible.
     
  5. cdp

    cdp Active Member

    Originally posted by profesrgeo:
    Anyone know what the differences are between these two mics?
    I know the 193 is cardioid only and the U87 is multi.
    What are the diffrences/similarities in design (I assume single v. dual diaphragm? capsule? electronics?) and sonic signature.


    From what I know, the 193 is based on the U89 capsule, which is kinda infamous. The 89 and 87 sound pretty different if you're used to them. Basically, I find that the 87 "sound" that most people like (or dislike) is much less present in the 89.

    I actually like the 89 for a few things. They've done a good job for me as overheads and on amps.

    The only time I can remember using a 193 would be an experience recording a songwriter's demo some time ago. We had a good selection of mics in the same price range as the 193 (like, 6 or 7 large diaphragms), and went for the 193.

    Take care,

    Charles Di Pinto
     
  6. osmuir

    osmuir Member

    i'm just bitter because i have one. not bad on some things, but frequently gets its ass kicked.

    ah, price constraints.

    is the TLM 103 that much better in yr estimation fletcher? i a/bed on some acoustic guitar a while back, and the 193 was ok. just not great, i'll grant you.

    better mic in its price range?
    --o
     
  7. Gregg

    Gregg Guest

    From experience I've found the 89 to be an expensive tom mic. The only other use was Steve Perry liked it on his vocal. It's what he used for the vocals on "Missing You," which was the single off his solo album.

    I've never found an application for the 193 that some other mic couldn't do better. As far as that goes, I was in a studio in SF that had one and the vocalist, hard rock stuff, wanted to try the 193. We set it up, ran it through four different mic pres but couldn't "ring the bell."

    As with most of us, I carry a few mics with me to sessions. I hated that 193 so bad that I told him my used $50 EV ND257 could eat the 193's lunch. Set it up and through the first pre it kicked complete and total ass on the 193. :cool:

    PS Forgot to mention the U87(any). I sold my last one six or so years ago and have +never+ regretted it. I find it to be a boring mic that costs too much for what it does.
     
  8. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Yeah...in my twisted little world...the 103 eats the 193 for breakfast and shits the little fucker out before lunch.

    I don't know what was going through their minds when they came out with the 193...but those kinda dumbass thoughts have gotten their little country in trouble before.

    The 193 could suck worse...I just don't know how. [IMNSHO...as always, YMMV]
     
  9. Dan Popp

    Dan Popp Active Member

    I think the 193 was one of Neumann's least popular mics, despite the price. The '87 just has "something" - character, presence, whatever - that the U89, TLM 170 and '193 don't.

    Re: Tonebarge's comment, the U87 is a lackluster mic "out of the box," just A/B'ing it against others - but if you have access to some decent EQ, you can easily shape the '87 to be a lot of different things. It's quiet and not grainy, so HF boost is not a problem.

    Of course, the best thing I've found is to send it to Stephen Paul and tell him to do his magic on it. :)

    Yours,
    Dan Popp
    Colors Audio
    USA
     
  10. Gregg

    Gregg Guest

    Yup. I agree, but using EQ to tape is a time waster and vibe killer for a vocalist (in my world). And using EQ for the mix to correct a mic is a crap shoot. Over the years I find myself using less and less EQ and looking more to the recording chain to give what is desired.

    In fairness I would have to say that the one positive experience I've had with the 87 is its resale. If one purchases an 87 used and in decent shape they can reasonably expect to recoup their money when they resell it.

    A bit like a Mercedes. Not the greatest thing in the world but it holds its value :^)

    :cool: TB
     
  11. Garth

    Garth Guest

    I have found only one app for the 193 and that is for very harsh and abrasive vocalists. It seems to take the sting out of the "ice pick in the forehead". Other than that the mic doesnt get much use in my place. I must say, though, it is a quiet mic.

    Garth
     

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