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New Asus P4T533-C

Discussion in 'Computing' started by Opus2000, May 7, 2002.

  1. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    Hot damn....533FSB now! Holy toledo's batman!
    Now, that is a serious mainboard!
    Opus :D

    Is this the new ANUS machine or what?
     
  2. Tommy P.

    Tommy P. Well-Known Member

    And here's the link http://usa.asus.com/mb/socket478/p4t533-c/overview.htm# ;)
     
  3. bgober

    bgober Guest

    c'mon, i haven't even booted up my first ANUS yet.
     
  4. teddancin

    teddancin Member

    WOW, I like the way (sarcasm) that on TomsHardware it says that this 850E chipset will not support USB2.0 and that it won't officially support the 1066MHZ RDRAM, but RIGHT on the Asus website they say that this motherboard supports BOTH! Is toms slipping? maybe. I'm still going to wait for the AMD Opterons to come out. NO going trough the Northbridge to get from the RAM to the CPU... THAT'S GOTTA BE SOOO FAST! So fast that Intel is just flat out copying them. I left out the best part too... first mainstream computer with 64 bit bus!

    That ASUS board is still the Sweetest thing out today though, and defintately SHOULDN'T be shrugged off like I made it seem in my above comment. If I had to upgrade today, that'd be the computer I'd build.
     
  5. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    read that thread again in Tom's Hardware...it says motherboard companies are putting in special chips to get USB 2.0!! Indeed, microsoft XP doesn't support USB 2,0..meaning of course it didn't embedd USB 2.0 drivers in the code for any devices..it's more 1394 support than anything!
    From what I've been reading and searching up on I'm waiting until the 845 comes out in the 533FSB range. I'm sticking with DDR as that is better for low latency operation...plus it's plenty fast enough when you have 1GB of it too!!!
    Opus
     
  6. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    AMD Opteron? Hmmm ... AMD ... I'm already leary (no, my name's not Timothy). You might say that I'm just a little gun-shy about AMD. I'm sure you can understand why! LOL
    And what motherboard do you plan to use with this thing???ROTFLMFAO
    I doubt that AMD will be giving Gary's ANUS a run for it's money anytime soon. Hehehe
     
  7. teddancin

    teddancin Member

    -SonOfSmawg
    What are you talking about!? AMD's new opteron processor is going to be awesome. Intel was making one with a 64 bit bus, but they couldn't get the job done, so they're outright copying AMD's design now.

    As for current Mobo's for AMD processors... ever heard of ASUS? AMD is a really good CPU developer, and as far as price performance goes, AMD can't be beat. JUST as stable as any intel setup. Does more work per clock cycle. Cheaper. Only recently beat out in performance by any significant margin by intel. I'm sure there's a ton of people that disagree, but there's also a ton of people that do agree.
     
  8. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    yeah ted...sometimes you feel like a nut and sometimes you don't!!!

    Opus :D
     
  9. teddancin

    teddancin Member

    hehe, opus. I'm not saying that AMD's are better than intel chips at all, or vice versa. They're kinda like apples and oranges, but they're both really good depending on the setup you have. But Intel is totally switching over to AMD's design for they're next line of processors, that's a fact. I wonder what that'll be like.... AMD's and INTELS being the exact same CPU... maybe the differences from there will really be chipsets or motherboards... who knows.
     
  10. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    Ted, take a look at Asus' motherboard line-up when it comes to AMD ... the A7A133 is SDRAM only, the A7A266 and A7A266-E have that funky SDRAM/DDRSDRAM combo thang, they have a couple of those nVidia boards, and all of the rest are VIA! They need a Ali mobo with 3 memory slots that'll handle 3 Gb of PC3000, and USB 2.0. If they made one, I'd have it RIGHT NOW.
    Oh ... that's right ... they make that funky little SIS chipset board, too ... Lord only knows why!
    I guess the thing that I don't understand is why AMD keeps trying to advance their CPU technology while all of the companies who are manufacturing motherboards for their CPUs are basically failing miserably. They need to manufacture their own motherboards for their CPUs that actually WORK, with a GOOD bios.
     
  11. teddancin

    teddancin Member

    WOW, well, you're defintately right... Ali/Sis/Via all suck as far as chipsets go (Via actually isn't bad at all if you're not doing audio stuff, but I still wouldn't touch em). AMD's chipset is great though (what I'm currently using), but I didn't seem to find those on anything but their dual proc. board (which I hear kicks ass).

    As for their new opterons.... I know for a fact that they're putting them out with their own Mobo (at least as one of the Mobo choices, but I'm sure that'll be the best one being that it'll come with the AMD chipset). Intel chipsets are usually really solid too, but obviously that doesn't help the AMD user out, darn.

    As for mobo manufactures... I went out on a limb with this Tyan board (good board, bad support), but I don't think I'd be willing to risk getting an MSI or Gigabyte Mobo.. scarey stuff. I can't think of any other Mobo manufacturers that I like aside from Intel ASUS and Abit (let me know if I'm leaving someone out). Ok, been recording for like the last 6 hours and it's now 4:30 AM, must sleep. later.
     
  12. teddancin

    teddancin Member

    I just re-read your post above, hehe, I guess you're saying that you want an Ali chipset AMD board.... I've just heard nothing but bad things about Ali chipsets from my friend (trust his opinion like it was my own) and from other disgruntled users. Oh well, what do you like about em.. just curious. Ok, really, I'm outta hea.
     
  13. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    See...Sos don't care as much about chipsets as we do ted...he's into the R.Ed system which don't care much about the chipsets...I agree with ted on the mainboard manufacturer issue...it's Asus all the way for me...no one else. Won't go there. I've had nothing but great luck with Asus boards and won't dare switch!
    As far as chipsets go..Intel for me man. I aint takin no chance. I tried that once with that damn Sis chipset and it bit me in the ass pretty hard!
    AMD vs Intel...well, it boils down to the chipset issue again! I like how AMD has fast FPU calculations but as we see Intel is right on their ass(in fact studying their ass pretty closely it seems!)
    Tom's Hardware...seems more and more people think that guy is paid off to say what he says! lol
    I don't go by his word...the word I go by is what people that are using the stuff have to say!
    Opus
     
  14. Tommy P.

    Tommy P. Well-Known Member

    Its hard to dismiss SIS chipsets completely, just yet. Although my ANUS machine is a smooth tracking box, I did notice how powerful my AMD XP1600/SIS 735 machine is at rendering filters.
    Also, ASUS's experience with Intel chipsets is well proven, but they have had to make revisions on faulty board designs before. I'll agree though, VIA's had thier turn at bat, and they suck :p
     
  15. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    I have a feeling that the Sis chipsets are those situations where they require exact memory types..in other words it might not work on certain brands vs others...
    I'd be willing to try it again but maybe sometime in the future..
    I'm waiting for true 64bit all around...OS, Processor, applications...etc etc before I build another machine for myself!
    Opus
     
  16. teddancin

    teddancin Member

    Agreed Opus. Chipsets are crucial, especially in dealing with audio driven computers (I forget that I'm not talking in a computer forum, but more precisely an audio computer forum). Yeah, Intel makes some sweet $*^t though, I have to admit that. Also as for the 64bit all around stuff, evidently Microsoft has already committed to making a 64 bit only version of XP that they plan to realease with the AMD opteron's. I'm definately not going to upgrade until then, it just wouldn't make sense. Oh yeah, Asus boards rock. As for the SIS chipsets.... I've heard soooooo many bad things about those, I would never consider buying one unless they put out some NEW model that had nothing to do with the technology behind the old ones, and if everybody was raving about it... AND if Intel bought out SIS and started just putting Sis labels on their chips, but that's about the only way.
     
  17. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    The reason that I favor the Ali Magik chipset is that, from all that I've studied, it seems to be the only real solution at this point. The AMD boards have VIA southbridges, SIS is nothing but problems, and I still haven't seen a single post about anyone trying the nVidia chipset for audio, plus it's still too new, with bugs. Apparently, the Ali chipset boards are a bitch to get up and running, but once they're up, they ^#$%ing rock. And for anyone reading this, I HIGHLY recommend the iWill company. Their service is ^#$%ing AWESOME! As some of you know, I've had some probs. IWill told me to send them all of my components and they would get it to work one way or the other! So, I dismantled everything, packed it all up carefully, and shipped it off. I called them today, and they got the package. The tech told me he will do my system first thing tomorrow morning, and call me when he has it up and running. I don't know if all mobo companies will do stuff like this for their customers, but I'm impressed. So, with any luck, THE BUILD IV will happen next week, and I should then have a working PC. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
     
  18. teddancin

    teddancin Member

    As to the Ali Magik Chipsets-

    Asus A7A266 and Iwill KA266-R with chipset ALiMAGIK 1

    Several users report significant performance problems when using the Hammerfall and DIGI96 series. The Hammerfall can't be used even at the highest latency setting, the DIGI96 series shows sub-average performance.

    Comment: As far as we know the Ali chipset MAGIK 1 is the slowest of all DDR-RAM chipsets, it is even slower than the fastest PC133 chipset. Additionally it offers a PCI-bus performance that can hardly be lower. The Hammerfall, which requires a constant transfer rate of 9 MByte/s (52 channels I/O at 44.1 kHz), can't be used with this board at all. The DIGI96 series works, but suffers from bad performance. While DIGICheck will normally measure a transfer rate of more than 30 MByte/s (on Intel boards up to 130 MByte/s, which is the maximum transfer rate of the PCI-bus), the ALi-based boards reach sensational 8 (eight) MByte/s. Therefore we have to warn against boards using this ALi chipset. And we are not alone. Hauppauge, manufacturer of TV cards, also mentions the ALi chipset as critical.

    As to the AMD chipsets having a VIA Southbridge-

    Chipset
    AMD-760 MPX chipset
    AMD-762 north bridge & AMD-768 south bridge
    Winbond W83627HF Super I/O ASIC

    The Ali thing is fromt the RME website, and the AMD chipset excerpt is from Tyans website.
     
  19. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    SOS...anytime you have to work to get something working is not an ideal situation...you of all people should know this! After all your problems I am truly surprised you stayed with the same motherboard...three strikes and you're out rule applies there! With an Asus board you would have been up and running by now!
    Opus
     
  20. teddancin

    teddancin Member

    Yeah, my friends IWILL(explode) motherboard was takin a crap on him too. Yeah, they have good support and are willing to work with you, cause they know they make a terrible product and NEED to be all supportive. The best bet you have with that computer is just to take a nice luscious poo in your computer case, close it all up, and launch it via trebuchet back to Iwill's headquarters (setting it on fire somewhere in there wouldn't be a bad idea either).

    Hehe, but seriously, they might have the best support ever, but their products do lack IMO. Personally, I'd be pretty pissed if a motherboard didn't work the first time around (though it's not really the manufacturers fault being that the motherboard IS the most sensitive piece of electronics in a computer). Still, I hate it when stuff doesn't work. You pay for something... it should do what it's supposed to, ya know? Good luck with the Iwill anyway.
     

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