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New, Getting back into recording

Discussion in 'Recording' started by shebrokemywaxMDtrax, Jul 29, 2016.

  1. shebrokemywaxMDtrax

    shebrokemywaxMDtrax Active Member

    Hello folks,

    I am new here and I am looking for some help on getting back into recording. (I hope this is the right forum category). Last year i purchased a new Imac, to replace my Macbook pro, this also caused me to learn my presonus firepod wont work with the newer operating system as well as the firewire cable.
    I really enjoyed being able to record 8 channels at the same time, and individually edit them.
    At the most I would want to be able to record live 3-5 piece groups, then go over and record a full drum kit.
    I have always wanted a mixer setup, being able to adjust faders,eq during the playback, mute, solo and edit that way and not through the software with a mouse has some kind of appeal to me...
    I was told getting an audio interface and a controller such as the mackie control universal pro is a good start, but are there cheaper options? Is there a way to get a single mixer to handle all of this? I know behringer has usb mixers but your software only picks up L/R signal.

    Any help would be appreciated.
    Thank you
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member


    When you say "cheaper options", what do you mean in terms of $$?

    If you want to get your microphone signals into the computer and then use an external box for controlling the Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) software, you need the functions of an analogue interface and also a DAW controller ("control surface"). You don't actually need a mixer for handling your signals, as the DAW can perform that function. You will need a pair of monitor-grade loudspeakers for listening to your mix operations, and that means the audio interface has to have two or more analogue outputs.

    You ask if there is a way of getting a single mixer to handle all of this, and an answer is to consider the Allen+Heath Zed-R16. This is actually a 16-channel analogue mixer, but it can act as a 16+16 interface and also a DAW control surface. It has a separate MIDI section for DAW control, and, in addition, any number of the 16 channel faders can be switched to act as parameter input to your DAW functions. Alternatively, you can replay up to 16 recorded tracks from your DAW, perform an analogue mix on the Zed-R16 using the full functions of the mixer and then record the mix (2-track) result back to the computer.
  3. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Welcome !!

    Boswell gave good info, the zed is an well regarded (in that price range) analog mixer with audio interface included.
    Other option could be the presonus Ai mixers which are digital mixers.

    I've got an old Mackie controler (first generation) and I like it very much. Got it for 500$ 2 years ago. It's a bit of pain to control effects but for levels, gain, pans and automations it's great. I searched for options when I bought it and couldn't find serious solutions at lower prices. Maybe there's something new since then...
  4. shebrokemywaxMDtrax

    shebrokemywaxMDtrax Active Member

    Thanks for the reply! i am set with monitors for now, mics, and headphone amps.
    That allen and heath looks serious and exactly what I would want. What would i do since my new IMac does not have firewire?
    Ive now looked at the zed 16, and zed r16, is there a major difference besides price? the $699 is quite attractive..
    I just always think back to the pink floyd dark side of the moon dvd, watching alan parsons showing off time, and great gig and solo and leveling the vocal track and always was attracted to doing this on a board right in front of me.
  5. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I think the R is for recording and would be the added interface..
  6. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

  7. thatjeffguy

    thatjeffguy Active Member

    You want to buy a Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter. My interface is Firewire, my MacPro doesn't have Firewire but has Thunderbolt. Buy from Apple to assure compatibility.
  8. shebrokemywaxMDtrax

    shebrokemywaxMDtrax Active Member

    Thanks for your responses. I was not aware of firewire to thunderbolt. This opens the question of will the presonus firepod still work? I've heard the drivers or software is not working on the newer operating systems.
  9. shebrokemywaxMDtrax

    shebrokemywaxMDtrax Active Member

    Maybe I am over thinking this, flipping through the Web, I was reading about 32 channel 4 bus mixers, and possibly usinget something like that. Would the direct outs go into a interface and dropped back into the mixer? Maybe I am not understanding, or just way off...

  10. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Why would you want 32 channels? A 32-channel mixer with high-quality pre-amps and direct outputs would be expensive. For the type of recordings you have mentioned so far, 16 channels is plenty, and you could get away with 8. In addition, unless you go for a mixer specifically designed for multi-channel recording, you would be having to part with a substantial amount of cash to get a comparable quality audio interface with sufficient number of channels.

    The crucial thing is to tell us what your budget range is, otherwise we are just poking around in the dark.
  11. shebrokemywaxMDtrax

    shebrokemywaxMDtrax Active Member

    Thanks for your help! I'd like to stay around the 600 neighborhood, some room to play on that.
    Maybe the presonus firepod can get working with a thunderbolt adaptor, but I've been reading even more about issues with the drivers on the newer os.
    At most, 2-3 guitars, 1 or 2 vocals would be recorded together in the same room.

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