New mic added to "favorites for violin" list

Discussion in 'Location Recording' started by Cucco, Apr 11, 2005.

  1. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    I just used the AT4040 on solo violin this evening (just finished 20 minutes ago and wasted no time telling the story...) With it directly over the neck and aimed towards the bridge, the sound is absolutely stunning. Realistic, lifelike and quite warm and friendly. I used this as my main and the MG M296 omnis out about 2 meters in my small/intimate studio. With just a touch of Warm Cathedral (2.8ms) patched into the aux bus, it sounds quite nice.

    You must try this mic on violin. Next, I'll try it on cello.

    Oh, and of course, Rich has twisted my arm enough, I'll also be buying the DPA 4061s soon enough too. But for the mean time, this will be my go to mic for strings!

  2. JoeH

    JoeH Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah, I love my 4040's almost as much as the 4050. The entire 4000 series is just wonderful.

    I don't get to use them often enough, but I'll be certain to give that a try one of these days.
  3. not_heifetz

    not_heifetz Guest

    Could you post a small clip???? pretty plz.
  4. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    I'll see what I can do. I didn't have the artist sign that release. He's a young student though, so he might be willing to.
  5. Midlandmorgan

    Midlandmorgan Active Member


    There's a lot of differing opinions on the entire 40 series of ATs...I personally think they are all a) wonderful; b) versatile, and c) competitively priced against anything else made by nearly anybody...

    Just curious, though...before the 4040, what WAS your 'go-to' for violin?
  6. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    I had a couple...

    Schoeps CMC 6 - MK4 or MK21
    Oktava Tube mic (with GT tube) - surprisingly warm and full sound.
    AKG C12

    Frankly, I think the 4040 beats them all (for solo violin that is). I am constantly blown away with the quality of the AT 40 line of mics. I don't see their SDCs replacing my Schoeps or Gefells any time soon, but their LDCs are perhaps some of my favorites ever.
  7. John Stafford

    John Stafford Well-Known Member

    What I really like about this forum is the complete lack of gear snobbery.

    I lke to trawl through the various sites dedicated to pro audio, and I've seen some things said about the AT range, and I'm convinved these people haven't actually used AT mics, or else they didn't use them properly. I'm NOT saying that everyone should like AT, but I've seen them referred to as toys that are simply too cheap, and not suitable for 'serious' work.

    It's nice to see people using less expensive mics along with their Schoeps, MKH, or DPA mics, because they can do what they do.

    That's my rant for the day!

    Anyway, back to the topic. Has anyone used the AT4047 on solo strings? Mabe it's the transformer based electronics, but it does something magical with plucked strings. I was wondering how the top end would work with bowing sounds.

  8. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    You know, I've really wanted to try the 4047s on bowed strings. I know, there's a hefty transformer in there, but I don't find this to be a problem. I've heard it on voice, piano, guitar (elec and acoustic) and been blown away. I'm sure it's got a great sound for strings.

    I completely understand your rant too. Just because it doesn't say Neumann or AKG, some people are quick to discount AT mics. I would agree that many have either never heard them or simply don't use them correctly. I believe that often, when a person is quick to discount a product, it's not always out of knowledge, often it's simply to make them feel better about the fact that they blew $2000 on a mic when they could have had 4 mics for the same price. In other words, they didn't actually compare mics - they bought it cuz the sales guy or magazine article told them they should.

    end my rant...

  9. not_heifetz

    not_heifetz Guest

    Cucco, what was the rest of the signal chain? Thanks.
  10. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    mics (stated above) -->Monster Cable 500 series -->True Systems Precision 8 --> RAMSA WZ-AD96M --> Lynx AES 16 -->Sequoia -->Hafler P3000 --> Kimber PBJ Interconnects -->Dynaudio BM15.

    Also monitored through a mackie 1202 with AKG K240M headphones.
  11. JoeH

    JoeH Well-Known Member

    I'm not a snob by any means; I'm all about getting the job done consistently, week in and week out. I just don't have the time or the need to over analyze things to death during my busy season. I'm slow to change, and if the item does the job realiably, and sounds great; then I'm a fan for life.

    It's the same for me & preamps. I've got my share of favorites (as do many of others on here) but I think it's largely subjective and not nearly as important as the sound in front of the mics. (the artist AND the space.) I'm as happy with a new ONYX preamp as a Millenium or an API or GML pre; they all do a great job for their respective applications. To each their own flavors, indeed!

    As for the SD series of AT mics, I'm not sure what the difference is; but I hear it. I absolutely LOVE the 4000 series LD mics, but I'm still a bit skittish on their SD mics; can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something lacking with them. (And I DO have a couple of them, still trying to get the sound I want out of them.)

    True: While I'd already heard a lot of good things about the AT 4000 mics a few years ago, it was really a bunch of bluegrass and country performances & shows (on CMT, TNN etc.) that featured them, and pushed me over the edge to try them; they totally blew me away with the sound of four or five musicians "working" them as an ensemble. (Snobbery, ha! If they're good enough for the legends working the Ryman, they're good enough for me! ;-) )

    snobbery is such a waste of time & engergy. ;-)
  12. DavidSpearritt

    DavidSpearritt Well-Known Member

    but it can be very entertaining. :twisted:
  13. sseverett

    sseverett Guest

    The acoustical violin is my biggest recording problem. What preamp did you use with the AT4040?
  14. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    True Systems.

    However, I've used the following in the past with decent to excellent results:
    Grace - 101 and 201
    Summit 2BA-221
    Millennia HV3-B
    SSL (don't recall the console model/series)

  15. harold716

    harold716 Guest

    Has anyone recorded violin with the DAV BG1? Did you ever get one Ben. A while back you said you were looking at getting one.
  16. Ifrit

    Ifrit Guest

    J, you'll love DPA 4061. We never used them on violin though, but on one project we used them for vocals. Choosing between Schoeps CMC5+mk21 and DPA we picked DPA. Also in live performance recordings they are very good.
  17. ptr

    ptr Active Member

    Not beeing Ben, but a proud DAV BG 1 user I recorded Solo Violin last fall using it an my trusty pair of KM 130. This combination with My DAD ADDA2408 into a Lynx AES16 based DAW sounds splendid.

    I dont know if I would call the DAV transparent (or if I would call any electroncs that?), but in stead its very musical.. And that is what its all about for me..


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