New sample - feel free to critique and comment

Discussion in 'Location Recording' started by Cucco, Mar 10, 2007.

  1. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Hey guys!

    Here's a new sample. It's Strauss's Serenade For 13 Winds as performed live by the Washington Sinfonietta Orchestra on February 16th in DC's Capital City Christian Church.

    This particular recording was made using entirely Schoeps microphones (with the exception of two Gefells flown in the hall for ambience and brought in only lightly) and Millennia HV3D preamps. Channels in total - 10 (VERY live sanctuary - needed a lot of spots). Sampling rate - 176kHz @ 24 bit.

    The mp3 is a lowly 192kbps since the entire work is listed as a sample. Therefore, the download is RATHER large at 15MB.

    It is a live recording in 2 ways. Live in front of an audience and in a VERY live venue.

    No processing was done on this recording at all. No EQ, no nothing.

    Setup took 4 hours with an hour of tweaking once the musicians were in place.

    Here's the clip:

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    Feel free to comment and critique/criticize.


    If you happen to listen to this clip - one of the oboists you hear here will be the oboist that I hire for your gig.


  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Jeremy - this sounds lovely, especially the high winds. The only comment I would make is that I feel one (or possibly two) of the horns left of centre is a little too prominent, although I can't tell whether this is the balance of ensemble or the recording. Having played in this piece myself, I know how difficult it is for the musicians to balance their ensemble, and I think this group on the whole make a really good job of it, at least in the sample you posted.

    BTW, why does the applause sound so coloured when the instruments are so clean?
  3. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Thanks Boswell. I appreciate the comments.

    I know the exact spots you're referring to regarding the lower horns. I'm afraid that's just the way it was.

    The applause is so different because the orchestra was seated on marble, the audience on carpet (and padded seats). There is a definite shift though isn't there?
  4. drumist69

    drumist69 Active Member

    Not that I know what I'm talking about as far as classical music/recording goes...but I thought the right side was more prominent, mainly the horns I guess. The winds sounded nice! The balance issue could be the computer speakers? Again, I know not what I speak of, but that's what I heard here and now. ANDY
  5. srs

    srs Guest


    Although it sounds lovely, it doesn't really that live to my ear, performance-wise. Is that what you intended? Would you consider posting a sample of just your main pair to contrast against your multi-track sample?

  6. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Thanks...I think...:)

    How do you mean - "it doesn't really [sound] that live to my ear?"

    Do you mean that it sounds as though it's a multi-take session? There aren't enough mistakes? (There's a few...quite a few...) Or just that the recording itself sounds heavily produced?

    I'm not sure if I can post anything that soon. My recording computer is now on-site for a week-long of sessions.
  7. srs

    srs Guest

    Thanks for the edit...

    I don't mean to imply that your recording is lacking at all, it really does sound wonderful. I would just like to hear more of the room to get a sense of a live performance.

  8. srs

    srs Guest

    I just listened again on my Dynaudios. I retract what I said about the sample not sounding "live" enough. It's very, very nice.
  9. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Ha...I was kinda wondering...I thought I overdid it...

    BTW -

    Were you the guy who reviewed the JTL 20 foot stands for Adorama?
  10. srs

    srs Guest

    That was me.
  11. rfreez

    rfreez Active Member

    i don't know enough about western classical music or the recording thereof... so take this with a grain of salt...

    it sounds great!! i can't think of anything that bothers me here. Very nice!

  12. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Thanks rfreez! I appreciate the kind words.

    SRS - I thought that might have been you. I just ordered another one. Damn - shipping is expensive on those. I don't remember that.

    Andy -

    Thanks for the comments and nice words. There is a slight balance shift, but I felt that it was towards the left (if memory serves me right) which makes sense as the horns were slightly off to the left. Is it possible your speakers are backwards??
  13. ghellquist

    ghellquist Member

    Hi Cucco.

    Really nice recording. Not much I can say really, bowing to the master. Just perhaps, might be an mp3 thing, but perhaps a bit of high pass filter could be beneficial, perhaps a bit of air blowers going on in the sub frequencys.

    Could not avoid to compare to my own humble try at an recording. Live in a church as well. Mind you, these are amateurs, my normal little orchestra (no trombones here though). The equipment is Motu 828mkII + Line Audio mic preamp. Main pair is KM184, various other mics. Done februari 29, 2004. Not the best of mp3 codings, had to stay within 10MByte.

  14. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Nice recording Gunnar!

    Of course, the person responsible for the candy wrapper at about 3:00 should be shot!!! :-O

    It's interesting to hear the difference between US and European orchestras! It ain't subtle. It just depends on what day of the week as to which I prefer...

  15. ghellquist

    ghellquist Member

    Well, there you are with a live audience. All in all they did behave though.

  16. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Just for giggles, here's another sample from the same concert.

    This is the Dvorak Serenade for Winds (or at least a small portion of it.)

    Again, feel free to tear it apart!

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  17. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    I do love those Schoeps! They work superbly well on this combination of instruments. The highs are clear with no shrillness and the bass from the two lower strings and the contrafaggot is really firm. (Am I allowed to say that?)

    I'm not sure I could live with this performance if it were on CD, though. I felt that one of the clarinetists is not in time with the rest of the performers through some of the rubato sections. Can't fault the recording, other than to say that, as in the Strauss, the horns are quite forward - not unacceptably, it's just that I'm not used to hearing the ensemble balanced in that way.

    I'm envious of the gigs you get to do!
  18. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member can say "firm" on the boards....

    Yeah, I get kinda lucky with the gigs.

    I've got that 6 hour bach organ festival coming up next week, the same ensemble as in the clips is doing Faure's Requiem early next month, plus I'll be recording jazz legend Ramsey Lewis next month as well. I've got a couple things airing on XM Classics and Pops coming up soon. (I'll spill those beans as soon as I'm allowed.)

    I hear you about the horns...
    They're all good friends and drinking buddies (and section mates in other orchestras.) They're phenomenal players, but that church is so hard on horns...
  19. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    I'm not sure you're allowed to say that.

    Yes, the horns are often a weakness in wind ensembles, but the players in the excerpts you posted have a beautiful sound.
  20. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Yeah, these horns definitely aren't a weakness in this orchestra. It's probably as much my fault as it is the horn players. To get any definition, I had to bring up the spot a little. Since they're firing backwards into a marble bubble, they get really washed out if I don't. a horn player, I'm definitely guilty of bias. :)

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