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New stuff around the corner......

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Opus2000, Aug 20, 2002.

  1. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Distinguished Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    Well, here it is...soon to be 64bit processors from AMD...soon to be new processors(still 32bit from Intel)...
    AMD will be releasing an Athlon XP2200+...nothing much to write home about but soon they will be releasing the 64bit processor...what does that mean for us? NOTHING!! Huh you say? Well, is there any 64bit applications? NO!!! Will 32 bit applications be sped up with 64bit processors...NO!! So what's the big deal you ask? Absolutely nothing again....is AMD hurting...they will be very soon. Why you ask?
    Intel...that's why.
    One word...Prescott. This is Intel's new architecture coming out mid 2003. What is so great about Prescott you ask? EVERYTHING!!!!!
    can you say 667FSB? Can you say built in Wireless LAN? Can you say built in USB 2.0? Can you say amazingly fast processor speeds? Yes you can!!!!
    There's some serious $*^t coming our way and the days of 533FSB's are almost gone. In fact you will notice they are stopping productions on 400FSB processors.......There's more to it as well....Anand(from anandtech.com) is now doing articles for CPU Magazine...great magazine if you guys haven't checked it out yet...highly reccomend it as they cut to the chase and give you no BS! Great stuff and I am going to write to them saying so and to possibly ask them about audio performances and so forth...
    One of the things mentioned in there is the true demise of RDRAM!!! It go bye bye very very soon...as Intel is developing systems that will soon take advantage of DDR 2 which will be DDR 400!!! Holy toledo I say!!!!!!
    My brain be swirming with the thoughts of some serious powerhouse systems soon to be built in the year 2003! I have a feeling things are going to be getting pretty damn interesting....
    I will post more as I do not have the article in front of me as I just got back home from a 3 day vacation in Albany, NY!!! Whew...glad to be home that's for sure!
    Anyhue.....what sayeth you all about this news?! Did everyone know this? Feelings? Anger? What?!!!
    Opus :D
  2. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Distinguished Member

    Oct 7, 2001
    Well Gary, my initial reaction is obvious joy at all the power we will now have at our disposal! :D But after further contemplation, it turns to depression when I realize that it will never end, and if I keep waiting for the next "latest and greatest" upgrade to come out, I will *never* get my new computer built!

    I am trying to prepare for the day when I can finally implement my VST System Link setup, and although I still have to wait for Steinberg to release the System Link update for the older Cubase VST/32 (and probably the SX update), I would like to get started fairly soon...

    So what do you say man??? Is this new Intel technology leap *that* big of a deal where it would be worth waiting 9-10 months before building a new computer??? I am working just fine now without System Link, so I guess it is not a *must have* at this point.

    If I wait, I guess I can re-shift my priorities and get a Mackie Control for SX now(the SX patch to support it is due out at the end of this week...1.03???), and then wait and get the new computer next year.

    I am currently using the "Pre-ANUS" system (a ASUS TUSL2-C mobo, 1GHz PIII, 512MB), and it is working quite well, although maybe a bit underpowered by today's standards.
  3. SonOfSmawg

    SonOfSmawg Well-Known Member

    Sep 10, 2000
    So no 667 FSB til mid 2003? IMO, that will indeed be a major step in host-based DAWs becoming the new standard. Once this sucker comes on the market and ASUS makes a killer mobo to run em ... look out! By then, Nuendo will probably have had a couple more updates.
    I hope Digidesign and Soundscape see the writing on the wall. If they aren't already planning for what's right around the corner, they'll be in a world of hurt very soon.
  4. bgober

    bgober Guest

    I am currently using the "Pre-ANUS" system (a ASUS TUSL2-C mobo, 1GHz PIII, 512MB), and it is working quite well, although maybe a bit underpowered by today's standards.
    there's the rub. the standards of the day are what drive the consumers to consume. it'll drive you crazy if you let it. :roll:
    ooops, did i go too far?
    actually i find this all very exciting just a little frustrating sometimes (like when it doesn't work).
  5. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Distinguished Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    IMHO...yes this leap of power will be well worth the wait! I forgot to mention the one killer aspect of this new architecture....1MB L2 Cache!!!!!!!! I know there's more that I am missing and will fill in more of the gaps but just those figures alone make me excited if ya know what I mean!
    Yes, technology will be advancing every step we take to keep up with it...nothing you can do about it...
    I think this new architecture will be better due to their mistakes they made on the 845G with the ICH4 issues...hopefully that is!
  6. Hello!
    If you see the specs below for building a new pc, would you say it is good for starters, or with all the developments you mentioned will it be the wrong way to go. I am switching from an old Mac with Cubase VST and have never built my own pc. I was deciding between Mac G4 2x1Ghz with Motu 828 and DP3 or P4 with Motu 828 and Cubase SX. The Goal is dance music and DVD authoring of music video clips.
    Recipe for disaster?
    - Asus P4T533-C 850E 533MHz FSB Socket 478 ATA100 AC97 Sound LAN Mobo
    - Intel Pentium 4 2.53GHz 512K Socket 478 533MHz
    - Thermaltake P4 Volcano Socket 478 Heatsink & Fan
    - 4x Kingston KVR1066X16-8/256MB 1066MHZ RAMBUS RAM non-ECC
    - Asus V8460 Geforce4 TI4600 128MB DDR DVI/TV out Video Card
    - Pioneer DVD-R / DVD RW Drive Model DVR-A04SPK3
    - Western Digital 120GB 7200RPM
    - Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM
    Any input is greatly appreciated.
  7. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Distinguished Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    Well...going with the 533FSb system is definately the way to go now and is still a slammin spec'd out system..
    Things I would change on your specs...not going for the volcano cooler/sink fan as those are one noisy beasts and are not needed for the Intel CPU..to be honest the stock heatsink/fan combo that comes with the CPU is fine and dandy! If you want to go for a really nice cooling system than look into the Zalman heatsinks...
    I would try and go for two 512 sticks of RAM more than 4x256 as most people reccomend larger chunks of memory than multiple smaller sticks..even Sandra reports that!
    Video cards are definately an important aspect of a DAW system. You do NOT want to go with a card that is high in RAM. 32MB is truly the most you want since you will be pulling the bit depth down to 16bits in the display properties to lessen the PCI bandwidth usage. 128MB video cards are for video games and high end graphics programs...Audio is not such a thing. The more memory you have for video the more it takes away from your audio performance due to video drawback...you will want to find yourself a lesser memory intensive video card for this. Trust me on this one...
    One thing I just recenlty found out is that USB pulls more performance from your CPU than FireWire does so the less USB stuff you use the better...so thus why people aren't using as much USb back up solutions than they are FireWire...I would reccomend sticking with FireWire!
    Otherwise everything else is groovy baby!
    Opus :D
  8. knightfly

    knightfly Active Member

    Jan 18, 2002
    Sounds like Prescott will be viable just in time for the REAL serial ATA drives to help relieve the bottleneck. I read just the other day that it will be close to 2004 before we'll see (and actually be able to buy)nearly double the thruput compared to today's ATA133 drives.

    Since my estimates show a 32/96 track count of about 36 tracks using a single WD 120 GB drive, I think I'll go ahead with "now" technology this fall, and build a second machine next year. One for soft synths/midi, one for audio. (in Homer Simpson dreamy voice) mmmmm, audio... Steve
  9. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Distinguished Member

    Apr 7, 2001
    Absolutely Steve...the WD JB model drives are the key factor to todays DAW performance. What a difference they make!
    I brought the article with me today at work about the Prescott CPU and the chipset will be called Springsdale..
    Basically there will be a 5.3GB throughput on it, potential 32-bit double pumped ALU and full support for DDR 333....also included with this architecture will be a CSA(Communications Streaming Architecture)which will be a dedicated high speed netowrking(Gigabit Ethernet) as well as the built in support for the 802.11(wireless internet) that will be either 802.11a-g protocols...so basically the mainboard manufacturers will implement a layer on the board to provide you with an access to an antenna to attach to your case!
    This is looking very very hot!

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