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Newbie Bit Rate Question

Discussion in 'Recording' started by vibrations1951, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. vibrations1951

    vibrations1951 Active Member

    This is humbling but here goes.

    In the process of trying to purchase the Melodyne Editor to use with my Nuendo 4, I had to determine compatibility right?
    So now I see I must upgrade my Mac OS X 10.5.8 to 10.6.8. Ok, not too intimidating yet, it makes me anxious but I think I can do this.
    Next, I need to know the bit rate, 32 or 64...apparently this is not related to my projects in Nuendo but is something set up upon Nuendo installation.
    How do I go about figuring out what my bit rate is?
    Help Please...
     
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    They want to know the operating system's bit rate basis. Windows comes in x86 (32bit) and x64 (64 bit) versions. I would presume a Mac OS is 64 bit but do not know myself.
     
  3. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    What installer is asking the question? There are normally three install options at download- x86 x64 and any Mac os.
     
  4. vibrations1951

    vibrations1951 Active Member

    Ummmm...ya lost me. But now I see I must check the Mac not the nuendo program.

    Nuendo was installed for me 3yrs ago (friend who is gone now). I was there but have no clue what the options/capabilities were/are. I don't have the Melodyne sofware yet so I haven't tried to install it. I was just reading their compatibility stuff and it said I need 32 or 64 bit rate. As i said, I'm lost but maybe I can get some info about my Mac and that will help?
     
  5. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    The windows operating systems come in either 32 bit or 64 bit versions. Mac os installers will specifically say Mac.
     
  6. vibrations1951

    vibrations1951 Active Member

    Thanks. I just got off a chat with apple and they confirmed that my system is both 32 and 64 bit compatible. Yeah! Thanks so much for your help. You got me there. Now to order and install. I hate the thought of using the Melodyne but the young artists seem to demand it. I'm tired of saying no.

    While I'm here, I've heard that the Melodyne is soon to have capability to just operate without having to confgure as you go. Don't know if I got that right but wondering if I should hold off? But, I really need something soon and they will probably offer an upgrade...oof. Oh well. thanks again.
     
  7. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    I think what you are talking about is ARA or Audio Random Access. I have not heard any rumors that Nuendo will be adopting that soon. I believe only Presonus Studio One has it now.

    I'm a big fan of the program. They are a good company with very helpful customer support. That's a good thing because it's a pretty complicated program to install and use. It puts your system through it's paces. To me the results are worth it. It's the only pitch correction program I've tried that gives reasonably transparent results. It does a great job with time correction as well.

    Be sure to make use of the extensive collection of video tutorials that Celemony produces. Their manuals are OK, but are a lot easier to understand when you have seen and heard the various features in action.
     
  8. vibrations1951

    vibrations1951 Active Member

    Thanks Bob. Yes ARA. Glad to hear you speak so highly about Melodyne. I greatly appreciate the information about customer support, installation and tutorials. I'll likely need all the support I can get.
    I live in the boonies and access to anyone with real knowledge and experience is limited to non-existant. Because of guys like you and this forum, I dare to move through my digital steep learning curve. Many thanks to both you and TheJackAttack.
     
  9. vibrations1951

    vibrations1951 Active Member

    Update:
    My os x 10.5.8 needs the snow leopard update 10.6. Then I have to update that to 10.6.8. Then I install melodye editor and then update that to the .2. As I said, a very steep curve for me but it looks like no turnng back now.

    Maybe I should start a new thread with this next part?

    I'm still not clear about ease of workflow when it comes to the choice of making Melodyn standalone or added to Nuendo. Also the issue of cpu usage one way or the other.
    My first thought, FWIW, is that it wouldn't be a big deal to copy tracks over for processing and then back again, plus keep potential cpu usage issues to a minimum.

    But...not having used something like this before and only having experience using plug-insas I go, it may be more convenient and less disruptive to work flow to have quicker access with it on-hand so to speak in Nuendo? From what I have read, the only issue with installing (if that's the right word) Melodyn into Nuendo is the need to shut off "cycle" when Melodyn is in use and then of course, turn it back on when done. I may just have to try it both ways (outboard first maybe?) and see what works best for me.

    Bob, do you or anyone else have experience/thoughts about this?
     
  10. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Using Melodyn as a standalone program would work - especially if you are only using it for solo vocal lines or things of that sort. That would use much less cpu power because you would be using one program at a time rather than Nuendo and Melodyne simultaneously. For me, the best time to use melodyne as a plugin is when you are working with harmony vocals and want to tighten up multiple parts. Melodyne is great for matching the phrasing of different vocalists - Yes! you can all start and stop at the same time. If you have a really good ensemble you could just import the tracks individually into Melodyne; tweak the pitch of the lead vocalist to, say 85%; treat the backup vocalists a bit more, say 90%, and then use those tracks in Neuendo. (You might scrub them for noise in Isotope at the same time.) No plugins. No twitchy interactions. Unfortunately, there is no question that there are big advantages to using it as a plugin and accessing multiple tracks. But the thing that makes it good makes it hard to use that way. Try it. Save as often as you can. Remember me fondly when a crash kills an hour of intense work.
     
  11. vibrations1951

    vibrations1951 Active Member

    Bob. You have confirmed my thoughts. Unless there is an absolute need at some time, I'm going stand alone.
    I'd rather remember you fondly for your good advice based upon experience rather than inviting an increased chance for a crash scenario. Heck, I can pull one off without inviting it pretty easily!
    Happy Holidays and thanks so much for the help.
     

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