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Noise gate question, please help!

Discussion in 'Recording' started by miamidaddy, Jan 1, 2007.

  1. miamidaddy

    miamidaddy Guest

    Hello. I am currently recording vocals from different artists and when I am listening to the diffent takes I am hearing some unwanted background noise like air, a little bit of headphone bleeds, ect. and I am needing some help on correctly using a noise gate. I know some will suggest not using one in digital and editing the track by deleting sections but I will like how to use it and then choose to use it or not.

    I am using the gate fx on protools and when i gate my vocals it sounds choppy like its clicking or cutting of some breaths that really make the vocal sound unnatural. What are some good settings or starting points to use to get good results to remove the air and backgroung noise between words or ablibs.

    What settings to use on:

    Threshold-
    Attack-
    Hold-
    Decay-
    Range-

    Thanks in advance for the help!!!
     
  2. TVPostSound

    TVPostSound Guest

    The key here is, do you really need that gate???
    What happens when you mix the vocals with the instruments???

    Now back to the gate, plugin gates are terrible, epecially the Digirack gate
    on Protools. A hardware gate is a lot more natural.

    If you feel you really need a gate, start here:
    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr01/articles/advanced.asp

    Make sure you see how the gated vocals sound in the mix, you soon see you ll hardly need it.
     
  3. dementedchord

    dementedchord Well-Known Member

    it's entirely possible that you only notice this when it's soloed???? may not really need it... that being said lower the threshold and as quick as you can...
     
  4. reginald

    reginald Guest

    To start with try as much as possible to use headphones that do not lick sound. Also i suspect there is a problem with ur signal to noise ration. Try checking the gain settings of ur setup. Then when ur satisfied at t his level and still u need to eliminate the noise do it manually i.e cut/ edit before u consider gates.
     
  5. natural

    natural Active Member

    To expand on what has already been suggested. (pun not intended, but pretty cool now that I think about it)
    - Make sure that you are not over compressing. The more you compress the more background noise you'll bring up. Try to find a happy medium between how much compression you need and how much you increase the background noise.

    - As already mentioned, there's not too much need to heavily gate a track if the noise floor is well masked by the rest of the music.

    - Gates don't always have to gate out 100% of the signal. You can try setting the floor of the gate so it only closes a little bit. Even a small amount of 6 to 12 db is plenty to bring things like headphone bleed down to an acceptable level.

    - For general gating, the software gates are usually fine. It's when you get into the more surgical operations that the software begins to show it's limits.
     
  6. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Well-Known Member

    For starters, nobody has suggested what I have routinely done in the past and still do.

    The term gating often gets confused with the term ducking or downward expansion. You never want to gate a vocal. That's the most unnatural sounding thing you can do. You do however, want to gate drums.

    What I routinely do for a vocal is to first listened to your vocalist and ask them to sing the most energetic part they will be singing. With that, you can adjust the microphone preamp gain setting. No plug that into your compressor/limiter having them repeat the same passage. With that, you should adjust for a couple of DB of gain reduction at a ratio of between 4: 1 to 10: 1. Now follow the compressor/limiter with your " noise gate/ducker/downward expander. Adjust it so that it does not " Gate", duck or downwardly expand much more than 6 to 10 DB! Adjust the threshold so that it begins to trigger on their breath and VOILĂ€! NOW, NOT ONLY DO YOUR VOCALS SIT BETTER IN THE MIX, the background noises and their gasping breaths will be attenuated to nonirritating/noticeable levels, without that clipping sound of a door being opened and closed quickly.

    This is generally the only way I cut vocals for popular music and announcers.

    The woman who knows from whence she speaks
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     

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