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Noob requires help on rec spoken vocals & DAW

Discussion in 'Recording' started by demonboy, Dec 16, 2009.

  1. demonboy

    demonboy Guest

    Good evening,

    I'm a complete noob when it comes to audio recording so please bear with me.

    I've been putting together some podcasts, previously using my Sony camcorder to capture the audio and then editing in Adobe Premiere Pro. I know, it's really for video editing but I just got used to the workflow.

    My gf bought me the Edirol R-09HR the other day and so now I am recording straight wavs and copying them to the laptop. I'm currently using Audacity to edit the tracks but I have to say I still prefer the Premiere Pro GUI and options. So, my first question is what other free, downloadable or very cheap DAWs should I consider? I never need more than four tracks but I have to be able to edit in wav and export to mp3. If anyone is familiar with Premiere Pro and can think of another DAW that is similar, that would be useful. For example, a very simple feature was that the horizontal zero line of a wave form actually had a horizontal line through it. Audacity doesn't. This makes it very hard when chopping chunks out of my wave as I can't see exactly where on that horizontal line the wave lies...if you see what I mean.

    My second question is much more important. I live on a boat and when I interview people I am doing so within the confines of my saloon. The results of my recording make it sound like it was recorded on a boat, i.e. like it was recorded in a box!

    Is there anything I can do to the acoustics pre recording and is there a simple guide as to what I can do in post production? I've heard of tricks like compression and high gain, but because I am new these are a little over my head. If there is a DAW that has simple one-click filters that would be a boon.

    Any help gratefully received.

    PS: FWIW the Edirol is spot on for outside recordings!
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    If you are a student look at an education version of Adobe Audition 3. It will integrate with your video program.

    Otherwise look at Reaper or Tracktion 3.
  3. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Yeah, what Jack said. But that won't help your sound. Camcorder audio? Yeachhhh. How many people are you recording at once? Just like television, I would recommend Tie Tack (lavalier) microphones in your environment. Even a Radio Shaft unit would be better than the camcorder microphone and at $20 each US, it's more than affordable for your purposes. Good ones cost as much as any other expensive professional condenser microphones. Although you might find some more affordable by Audio Technica. Then you record without any AVC (automatic volume control) then you will lose most of the acoustics of the room. You'll gain more intimacy in the sound that way.

    Old TV gal
    Mx. Remy Ann David
  4. demonboy

    demonboy Guest


    Thanks for your replies. RemyRAD, I'm not sure you read my post correctly as I stated that I used to use my camcorder. I now use the Edirol. My interviews are frequently round a table with me on one side and the interviewee the other. I guess I'm looking for advice on how best to prepare the room of my boat for recording voice and then what filters I use in post-production. That's what I don't know anything about.

    Thank you Jack for your advice on the software. I'm not a student so I'm looking for free downloads.
  5. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Reaper is free for trial and only $60 for a non commercial license. Tracktion 3 is often found on ebay new in box for $50-99.

    Personally, I feel you should save your pennies and get Audition 3 since it integrates with your video program.
  6. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    is the camcorder still part of the interview process ?

    I would use the camcorder with it's on board mic and the AVC off as Remy said

    then use the Laptop with a Tie Tack (lavalier) microphone on each person
    as Remy said

    use one track for each mic

    leave plenty of headroom if you don't have any hardware limiting

    this will create more work at the edit stage BUT give maximum flexibility

    I can explain more if required

    I'd just like to echo Remys comment
    " Good ones cost as much as any other expensive professional condenser microphones. "
  7. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    I'm not convinced lav's are available in this case.

    There's almost nothing you can do to remove the room from a recording; that I'm aware of.
  8. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    Sure there is Code Monkey. With 2 lavalier omnidirectional microphones in a one-on-one interview, invert the phase of one microphone. Then you combine both to Mono. That will get rid of a good chunk of your room ambience & noise. Much in the same way as a differential microphone works. You may have even seen a differential microphone in use in some old Grateful Dead footage with Jerry Garcia singing into 1 of 2 Sony lavalier microphones separated by about 2 inches. Differential microphones of that type do cause peculiar frequency response characteristics, generally with a loss of low frequencies more than high frequencies because of their close proximity to each other. But on vocals, that can be desirable especially with loud rock 'n roll ambience in the background.

    Another possibility might be a pair of boundary microphones on the tabletop. They have a tendency to eliminate the sound of one of the planes of directional acoustics. And those too can be utilized in an inverted phase differential mono summation application.

    I'm preferential to differential
    Mx. Remy Ann David

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