online mastering

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by sheld, Dec 31, 2005.

  1. sheld

    sheld Guest

    Hello i was wandering how would i go about this " online mastering" should i ever want anything mastered by an expert, i guess first i would need some web space to upload my song, what file would i upload it as? how would i get it back? how much would it cost ? say for one song just to hear the results. Thanks.
  2. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member


    Most Mastering facilities offers FTP (file transfer protocol) services to their clients so they (clients) can upload their songs. The clients have their own accounts and personal space to their files

    You would have to upload your stereo mix files to it (wav, aiff etc.)

    You can get your Mastered files back by FTP again (download) or get the Master CD by mail.

    Cost: depends on the studio/engineer. By visiting their website or calling them, you will get the answer to this question.

  3. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Richard's right - most mastering houses will offer an FTP upload/download capability.

    However, there are some folks who ONLY offer this capability. In other words, if you ask to come into the facility, their only response could be..."What facility."

    You've got to be careful. Some of these "on-line" mastering houses merely take your song, run it through a Behringer compresser and then back into a hacked version of cubase with their hacked Waves plugins and smash the hell out of your tunes. (I know one of these companies!!! They're in my area here and they REALLY PISS ME OFF!!!!)

    If you can't visit a tangible location, don't work with them. They could have a storefront in Northern India for all I care, but that at least means that they have clients that come in and they actually care enough about their business to lease space dedicated for mastering!

    So, in other words - be careful.

    FWIW - I have two domains in which I perform mastering. 1 is in my studio. This is my "light" mastering setup. This is for the dudes that come from the studios up the road and want some quick/cheap stuff done. Then I have one that I built in my home. It's not a regular "home" studio - it's designed from the ground up for acoustics. (I had the home custom built and one of the main aspects of this house was the studio - the other was the built-in wetbar just off of the studio... :D (y) ).

    Clients are welcome in either or both locations if they would like to come. I have no secret weapons or magic voodoo that I don't want my clients to see (like that local "on-line" company near me does -- hint, I've seen their bag of magic tricks - it's Sound Forge/CD Architect with an Alesis reverb box and a behringer compressor monitored through Alesis M1s in an awful acoustic environment!).

    So, the best advice is - do your homework and be careful. If in doubt, post your findings here - we will gladly debunk or validate a good service.

    Good Luck!!!

  4. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    When you're looking for "low-rent" online service...

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    A lof of questionable types have given me a lot of flack over that particular article over time. And the accusations... Whoa...

    Anyway, it's really only something to think about. The whole "no free lunch" and "if it sounds too good to be true" type stuff. There are a lot of people out there trying very hard to rip you off.

    There are a lot of people who aren't also - There are a lot of honest, non-deceptive online budget mastering services out there. It just seems that they're getting harder to find through some of the noise...
  5. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member


    Isn't it your logo on the 2nd picture on the left side of this ebay add?
    ( ).

    I doubt that someone else has the same logo and is in the Mastering business :roll:
  6. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    OUCH!!!!! :!:

    John - I'd be pissed as HELL about that one!

    I also bet if you contacted Lipinski, he could tell you whose room that is on the right with his monitors hanging over the control desk.

    Is someone prepared to give this guy an on-line bitch-slap yet?
  7. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    Sure looks like it. John..?

    I do about 80 or so percent on line mastering. FTP or U send it gets the tracks here. I compile a list of questions after listening to your music and then we get busy. Details on my site. I do my best..clients are pleased.

    I maintain open communication and interaction. It is very nice to get a free sample of your mix..mastered by the prospective mastering house before you decide. Rates can vary depending on the amopunt of preparness you have put into your mixes. Some are basket cases and hands need to be held to assure the best results, others just need another set of ears and some fine balancing. It is all relative.
  8. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Come to think about it - if you've trademarked your logo and/or copyrighted your photos, I wouldn't be pissed at all - this clown just earned you a lot of money in court! Just hope he has liability insurance and you can take him for the limits!!!!
  9. Thomas W. Bethel

    Thomas W. Bethel Well-Known Member

    I am not too sure you can copyright a picture of a blank reel . It may be someone's logo but it is also the same picture that is used by a lot of companies that sell 10.5" take-up reels. You would have to prove that this was unique in some way.

    I have seen pictures of microphones used for logos for studios but not only can that not be copyrighted (if it is recognizable microphone from a microphone company) the person that is using the likeness of a microphone for there studio logo is in direct violation of copyright law. This would be especially true if it were a instantly recognizable microphone like an RCA-77DX or Shure SM58.

    Just for clarification.
  10. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Not so. You can copyright any image that you create. You are correct in that you need to prove it that you created it, but if he watermarked it or if it is used in its exact likeness, it would be very easy to determine.

    Bear in mind, ANYTHING that you create in this country (and I believe most countries internationally) is automatically protected by copyright now - no paperwork filing necessary. The burden of proof, however, lies on the person claiming infringement. This is true of recordings, songs and lyrics, photos, poop-art and so on. (The most common form of copyright protection, which I refer to as "poor-man's copyright" is to simply place a copy of your intellectual property into an envelope and send it registered mail to yourself. Do not open the item - ever. If you ever need to prove when you created your masterpiece, you have a federal document - err, mail - showing a legal, court-worthy date.)

    As for using a microphone such as an RCA 77DX or so in an image as part of your logo - that is perfectly legal. You can't copyright an idea. If you were to take a picture of the 77DX, then that particular image is copyrighted, but not the concept of using the microphone in an image. To be sure though, it's always wise to get the blessing of the company before you do it. Many companies (such as Monster Cable) encourage this kind of thing, as it promotes brand recognition.

    If using an item in a logo were illegal, then showing a person driving a Chevy during a Pepsi commercial would be illegal.

    However, if you used the Chevy cross as part of your logo or in print advertising which is advertising yourself, then yes, you are in direct violation.

    Truth be told, if this yahoo did take John's logo which John either created or had created for him (in otherwords - paid a graphic artist and the GA released all rights to it), then he has a legitimate law suit on his hands.

    Book em Danno!

  11. dcollins

    dcollins Guest

    So who's studio is that in the picture?

    He does offer "retour" shipping, so you've got that going for you....

  12. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

  13. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    Buenos Aries is a long ways from NYC. I guess he masters by Osmosis.
  14. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    In this specific case "masters" is a big word... looks more like "right click, copy, paste, save as my new studio..."
  15. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    I should have put that in this form of "masters"...beat me to the edit.
  16. Thomas W. Bethel

    Thomas W. Bethel Well-Known Member

    I can show you a dozen places on the web that have reels pictured just like Massive Mastering's "logo". They are tape suppliers or "graphic" houses that provide audio industry standard images. Our logo is copyrighted but it was created by a graphic artist and is unique.

    If you follow your logic and one were to copyright a circle then you could claim anyone who used a circle in their advertising was in direct copyright violation. The logo has to be unique and not something that is in daily use. You cannot copyright letters of the alphabet, you cannot copyright standard drawing shapes such as a circle or a square UNLESS by some means you make that circle or square unique. There are lots of other things that you can and cannot copyright but you would probably have to consult with a lawyer to understand all the variables.

    We looked into this at length with a copyright lawyer BEFORE we designed our logo since as part of our logo there is a damped sine wave image. The design of the logo is unique and INCORPORATES the image of a damped sine wave therefore it is copyrightable.

    The other part of copyright is "proving" that the image someone else is using is in direct violation of your copyrighted image.

    The RCA company still has the copyright on Nipper listening to the record player and the phrase "His Master's Voice" and very recently someone tried to use a similar image in their advertising and were taken to court by RCA for copyright violation. This was a black on white silhouette and not a full color photographic image and they still wound up in court.

    Sorry to disagree with your statements but Massive Mastering's "logo" is something that could have been copied out of a catalogue or off the eb and is not unique.

  17. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member Zeus.

  18. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    I understand what you mean, but there are a couple issues here.

    I believe you that you've seen that graphic elsewhere, but unless it was *exactly* the same image, not close, but exact, it wouldn't hold up.

    The concept of copyrighting a circle wouldn't hold up - you have to prove that your idea is original. I would love to see the guy proposing he was the one that came up with the circle.

    Let's just say, hypothetically, that John's logo (whether it's original or copyrighted or not) appears in that ebay ad, and that picture that it's imposed upon was actually a picture that John took and imposed his logo upon. That image is now John's intellectual property and by nature can be protected. However, if the logo is "generic" in nature and the photo isn't John's, then you are absolutely correct.

    In 1978, the US Patent and Trademark office determined that coyrighting was not an essential step in the protection of one's intellectual property and therefore only essential if you desire absolute legal proof beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    As for the Chipper and Nipper thing - that was a trademark issue more than a copyright. In a trademark, you can specify likenesses whereas in a copyright, only exact matches or 1:1 infractions are covered.

    The same is true with Monster cable. They have trademarked the terms "Monster Cable" and "Monster." However, their trademark on the word "Monster" only applies in a small, niche market (audio...) So, Monster Truck Madness is safe, but if I decided to call my audio store "Monster Market," I should expect to get sued quickly.

    So, in principle, you're correct- if the logo is generic, then John has no protection, but if it is unique (even slightly) and John created it and can prove that, he's on the fast road to riches.

    He John - Johnny Cochran just moved here to DC - if you want, I can get you his number! :wink:

  19. audiowkstation

    audiowkstation Active Member

    JC died in March. I don't think he will do much good at this point ;)
  20. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Oh, don't underestimate the power of the Cochran law firm! They would drag his bones into court if they thought it would get them a little more $$$ :shock:

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