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Open back headphones?

Discussion in 'Studio Monitors, Headphones & Controllers' started by Rufio90210, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. Rufio90210

    Rufio90210 Active Member

    Location:
    london
    Hi,

    So I've got my eye on the Sennhieser HD 580s on an auction, could get them cheap. But my concern is the open back element of the headphones, does this mean that if im singing to my track with the cans on and recording through my condenser mic.... that the mic will probably pick up the sound coming out my headphones ?



    Thanks

    Rufio
     
  2. thatjeffguy

    thatjeffguy Active Member

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    Generally speaking, you don't want open back headphones for tracking. Your assumption is 100% correct!

    Jeff
     
  3. Cucco

    Cucco Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Fredericksburg, VA
    That being said, having a good pair of open back cans is good. They image way better than sealed cans.
    You can get a cheap pair of closed cans (AKG K44/K55) that sound good enough to let you track vocals with them. I have probably 10 pair of K44s for large ensemble recordings. Having used them myself and numerous others using them, I've never had a complaint with regards to their sound quality. No one would guess they were $25 headphones.
    Cheers-
    J
     
  4. aj113

    aj113 Active Member

    Location:
    Hull, UK
    I have a set of open backed AKG K77's. They sound amazing and I have indeed used them for tracking but I'd rather not, my DT 100's are much better for tracking - much less overspill to the vocal mike.
     
  5. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    I've actually put a piece of duct tape on the outside of my Sennheiser 545's which helps to seal the deal. Otherwise I just use my Sennheiser 280's. Those are particularly good for shut-ins with plug-ins.

    Help! I'm stuck in my control room! I need to be unstuck.
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     
  6. Davedog

    Davedog Moderator Moderator

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    Even closed back phones can leak a bit of program into a vocal setup that is on stun for particular vocalists.
     
  7. thatjeffguy

    thatjeffguy Active Member

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    Interesting to note what a long way we've come and what our expectations have evolved to. Up until 1966 and their Revolver album, the Beatles did not use headphones while tracking or overdubbing. Overdubs were accomplished while they listened to playback on loudspeakers. Bleed was minimized by placing the speaker in the null of the ribbon mic where John was singing on one side of the figure eight and Paul, George or both were singing into the other side.

    Jeff
     
  8. Chris

    Chris Staff Studio Service

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    Wow, simple and logical. In many ways I believe we've ruened our natural world with all this digital editing ability. We've turned into a lie. I suppose in the end, the music we listen to is what counts and how it got there shouldn't matter but in turn, we're creating a world intolerant of human error or just being human. We're valuing Robots more than us.

    In 1980 I was preparing to sample my voice, vowels and consonants and spread it over the keyboard. Then do a Devo type virtual band for an experiment. Now that I'm in my 50's and my voice no longer suits pop music I'm thinking about this again but this time singing the way I do , then changing it to what I think will work.

    I don't think we are far off on this becoming the next extension to something like autotune.

    Who cares if you can't do it live. its all about effects.
     
  9. thatjeffguy

    thatjeffguy Active Member

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    This is nearly identical in function to Izotope's Spectral Repair. I have the full Izotope suite that includes the Spectral Repair, Denoiser, Declipper, Declicker, Hum remover, etc. One of the most valuable toolboxes in my arsenal. The ability to sample a background noise and have the program remove only those frequencies is very powerful. The spectral repair is pretty amazing, allowing surgical precision in removing unwanted noises.

    Jeff
     
  10. Davedog

    Davedog Moderator Moderator

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    Jeff. No ribbons for Beatles. Neumann U47's and couple of customized U48's. I agree that the live studio monitors were kept in the 'null' But like all things equal, the null of a mic like the Neumann's is a thing of precision and beauty.
     
  11. thatjeffguy

    thatjeffguy Active Member

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    Dave...

    Yes, I stand corrected. If I recall correctly the U48's were multi-pattern and many of the U47s had been modded to incorporate multi-pattern switching. The mics were set to figure-of-eight in these overdubbing situations.
    I think my brain has exceeded its maximum capacity... I knew this stuff once, but had to go back and reference my "Recording The Beatles" tome to double check. But my point was still okay, things sure have changed, not the least of which are our expectation of gear and results!

    Jeff
     
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