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Opening up Battery3/Pro-53/Absynth/ on cubase4 (issue)

Discussion in 'Cubase' started by SeniorFedup, Sep 8, 2008.

  1. SeniorFedup

    SeniorFedup Guest

    when i try to load all komplete4 instruments on the vst panel, by the time i load the 2nd or luckily the 3rd N.I.vst Cubase4 freezes
    specs are
    1.-A quad core processor
    2.-3.25 gigs ram
    3.-32-bit operating system (xp)
    & tons of space and 3 separate drives for your stuff.

    Sometimes ill open up say electric piano by NI and the comp will just restart itself!

    Has this ever happened to anyone using particularly NativeInstruments and cubase ?

    I am strongly considering swithing over to a 64-bit operating system

    A friend recomended i reinstall windows.

    what does the pro/amatuer digital recordist bloggers have to say about this ?
    Greetings by the way.
    i just hope to get to the bottom of this even if it means .... spending more money.. thank you in advance
  2. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    "the comp will just restart itself!"
    ..has just cemented in my mind that you have heat issues.

    Open the case, blow out the dust, preferably fit another heatsink.
    I play online games, one guy was telling me he can get 300fps - but at certain explosions, the CPU chokes and it hits 15fps. He got a new heatsink that actually distributes heat properly, and now he gets over 100fps all the time.

    Download SpeedFan and see if the temperatures are looking stupid. Anything above 50 for the CPU is not good especially if the PC is idle.
  3. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    >2.-3.25 gigs ram

    3.25 gig may point to memory parity issues or leaks (two different types OR maker of memory sticks).
  4. EricUndead

    EricUndead Guest

    I think it points out that he has XP32 bit and that is all that XP32bit will register. He probably has 4 gigs but who knows
  5. SeniorFedup

    SeniorFedup Guest

    i do have four gigs installed however xp32 allows me to only use 3.25
    thus considering my options to ugrade to 64 .
    i will look into the heat issue.
    however when i try load the various instruments , it just doesn't appear to be a hear issue rather a cpu issue
    maybe i have two issue to deal with
    thanks again
  6. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Heat is a cpu issue.
  7. Greener

    Greener Guest

    I used to run AMD's and had issues with heat...

    The alarm thing would go mental and I would have to shut down... Then Summer came and it would be alarming constantly. I cut the wires to the PC speaker and the problem was solved.

    I haven't had heat affect performance, the only thing I know heat does is if it gets too bad the CPU melts, this affects performance.

    Do hot chips clock themselves back nowadays or somnat?
  8. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    Good answer...I thought it was odd looking but didn't know there was a ceiling on memory in XP :)

    There goes my certification!!


    Did anyone ever ask for computer specs?

    Is now a good time?
  9. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    "Do hot chips clock themselves back nowadays or somnat?"

    Auto-shutdown is common. I think mine is set to cut off at 74C. I know a guy who couldnt even run a virus scan or the CPU would overheat and it would reboot. Unfortunately the BIOS was password protected and he couldn't get in to change it. Nor would he let me force the issue...
  10. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    Why wouldn't the op not mention an audible warning if heat was the issue?

    I'm just askin'
  11. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    Mine doesn't have it. It just goes ...

    There's a separate BIOS setting for a warning in mine. Unfortunately, where I put it to, it kept going off at bootup. So I got rid of it. I mean, surely it doesn't hit 50C just turning on?
  12. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    Well boss, either it has an audible or it doesn't :)

    If you turned it off via the bios, then it has an audible, you simply turned yours off ;)

    Is that what you are saying?
  13. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    I'm not your boss.

    Yes, mine has an audible but it's off. It was off by default, too.
  14. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    First question...and I hate to have to ask it...Is all of this software licensed or cracked? I guess if it's cracked you wouldn't say so...so I'm going to assume it's all on the up and up.

    How much diagnostic work has been done on this to try and figure out what the problem is? Such as, can you load electric piano once and everything works just find and then load it again and it causes problems? In other words, is the problem random or does it happen each and every time you use one of these VSTi's?

    If it's all the time, going from 32bit to 64bit is no "solution". It would just be a change that you are hoping will fix the problem.

    What is the software situation when this happens? Does it happen if you create a new empty project and add in the vsti? Does this happen when adding them into an existing project? Does it happen only when you start playing the project or immediately upon loading the vsti?

    What is the computer situation when this happens? What other programs are running in the background? Were the program crashes that may have happened prior to running Cubase/vsti? What is CPU usage prior to crash/lock/shutdown?

    Do you have Vstack or some other VST host? What happens if you load these VSTi's into a different program?

    Was all the software installed on a clean/new drive or was it installed on a drive that had some/lots of apps already installed on it?

    Without knowing more, I would assume the problem to be software/os related possibly caused by a problem installation, problem patch or problem something else.

    My first recommendation would be to check out the Cubase and NI forums. If there ARE problems, they will be mentioned/discusses and possible solved there.

    My next recommendation would be testing the VSTi's in a different program. This can tell you if it's strickly a VST problem or combination of things. Load them into Vstack and see what happens. I would also test them out in a different DAW. If you don't have another one download Reaper and see if they work with that.

    I don't know how or if the VST3 thing might play into this. My guess is that the NI stuff would be compatible but maybe there are problems with certain configs.

    At any rate, if you test different scenarios and options/combinations and you still can't get the problem to happen regularly or it's just happening all the time, I'd say it would be time to start fresh...uninstalling, installing first the VSTi's, then Cubase and possibly even the OS...after a format and diagnostic check of the hard drive.
  15. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    BTW....how do you like Cubase4? I'm on 2.2 but have C4 sitting in a box right next to my computer. I haven't had the time to install it and give it a go.
  16. SeniorFedup

    SeniorFedup Guest

    hello again,

    i only have a few minutes before my next class so i will be quick here.

    after reading what greener and a few others wrote, maybe i do have a heat issue at the root of the prob. unfortunatly i do not have any indication from my machine reassuring that heat played a factor in my comp freezing when cubase4 is open and attempts to load um.. battery 3 after or absynth after a couple of the NI vst's are loaded up.

    BUT it does like a heat issue when me comp restarts, now that i have read your responses.

    and now...

    I used to run all hacked equip in my old comp . but my NEW six month old comp is all paid for software.

    diagnostic wise is as follows
    opening up a NI VST ie. battery lll standalone seldom causes the comp to restart . but i chose now not to get into that issue, that appears to me to be a heat issue

    the problem at hand is this. when cubase 4 is open and no other program is running expect maybe task mgr. i open a empty file, open the vst window, and begin dropping in one vst at a time. by the time the 2nd or 3rd vst is loaded and nothing else is running cubase will get stuck in the middle of trying to load this intrument. so i simply shut down the non responding cubase 4 software.

    thanks for all the advice

    by the way cubase 4 is great . i havent used cubase 2 but i am sure it is just as good.
  17. Greener

    Greener Guest

    For heat you can fix it a few ways without spending to much coin.

    Firstly drop the sides off you case. Increase airflow (and dustflow so be clean).

    Get one of those tubes of that bat-shiat nasty silicone stuff you put on top of CPU's. Take the heatsink off your chip, clean the chip and the heatsink with a cloth and alcohol. Use gloves, this stuff is evil. Put AS MUCH AS YOU CAN on the chip and seat it against the heatsink leave any stuff that comes out the sides.

    If the heat goo isn't on the chip properly it can cause heat issues.

    Also, before you do anything. Check the bios for cpu temp readings. It should have them. It will also have settings for temp level at alarm and temp level at shutdown. Set the alarm to the current shut down temp and raise the shutdown temp by 5 deg. When it alarms put a big fan and point it at the machine and keep pushing the system and see if it stays running.

    As for your actual problem I have no ideas. :p
  18. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's a good idea to use too much thermal grease. That stuff can be semi-conductive depending on who makes it. Using too much can cause a short. NOT GOOD.

    My other guess is that you're using vst2 plugins. They may not necessarily be fully compatible with VST3 I don't really see how this could be a problem but it's a possibility.
  19. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    Ah ha!

    I would update the drivers for everything involved! Also...somewhere before you posted this topic, your computer ran good enough for you to work, yes?

    Have you recently installed any software/hardware that could account for this issue? You should uninstall the offending software or hardware to correct this issue.
  20. SeniorFedup

    SeniorFedup Guest

    what drivers are you reffering to ?
    my computer runs fine other than the fact that it seldom shut down and restarts after a large graphics test or sometimes when i load an instrument.

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