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P-94T Tone

Discussion in 'Accessories / Connections' started by SammyD, Jan 30, 2010.

  1. SammyD

    SammyD Guest

    I want to change the pickups in my Les Paul to get a more single coil tone and I was wondering what you guys think about the P 90 and P 94T tone. Could you guys reference me any examples of the tone in rock or country? Would they be any good for jazz? I would really like a reference or two so I could determine how it sounds to me. Any help would be appreciated.
     
  2. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    Probably best just to google P 90 pickup samples, there will be multiple sites all with MP3 for bridge and neck.

    Another option is use a 4 conductor humbucker and DPDT switching which actually allows you to use one side of the humbucker and actually get a true single coil sound. This will not be the same as a Fender single coil sound as the pickups are different and IMO this works better with pickups that are overwound to begin with. I have a P90 in the bridge of one my Schecter guitars and while I like the sound I wouldn't describe it as single coil sound. You should visit Les Paul Forums - MyLesPaul.com it is great resource for wiring diagrams and threads covering a huge range of pickup options.
     
  3. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    When I think of P90s I think of Rockabilly. Scotty Moore used a Gibson ES-295 and an L-5 - Both with P90s - on all of Elvis' Sun recordings.
     
  4. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    I like JG's suggestion to install a coil-tap that splits the humbucker. I have a couple guitars that have splittable humbuckers - very versatile.


    Here's a link to Gibson's site with just one sample of a Paul with P-90s.

    Les Paul Special - dirty tone

    A friend of mine has one of those LP specials, pretty cool tone. Not as thin / bitey as a strat or tele. I suppose you could play jazz with the right amp.

    I have a Blueshawk with the "Blues-90" soapbar pickups, which is awesome for blues. You could play rock or jazz on it-again with the right amp. But the semi-hollow body contributes a lot to the tone.
     
  5. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Lets be sure you understand WHY pickups sound a particular way in particular guitars.

    I played on a friends Tele Special the other night at a jam. It was outfitted with a new P90 style that he has recently begun to wind. ( Roadhouse Pickups ) It was an interesting combination. The bolt-on neck joint, a larger area single-coil wind, a slab body with the pickups sitting on the guard,....ALL of these factors are part of the response a pickup style has in a guitar.

    Theres more density to a Les Paul body than a Fender and the very same pickups in a LesPaul sound entirely different in a Fender or a semi-hollow anything. The neck tenon is also a huge factor in how the p/u's react to the strings and the damping that goes on physically according to the build structure. Wood selection, mounting, type of winds and number, magnet type....ect....ALL important.

    Email Ken and ask his opinion on your questions. This advice as well as that of all the other posters will give a much clearer idea than simply listening to MP3 files.
     
  6. SammyD

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  7. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Well, I'll start by point out the it's not really bright to ask for more information in the same post that you make snarky remarks about how your are treated on RO. Throwing insults at the people giving you free info isn't exactly idiot-proofing the post.

    But if I overlook that, I'll note that Scotty did play hollow bodies - the ES-295 and L-5 if I remember correctly.

    Of course, the person most famous for playing a Les Paul with P-90s was...Les Paul. The early goldtops all had P-90s. Try to find some of his recordings with Mary Ford from the early 50's. You could google it or wait for the "Human Element" to point the way. Just remember the old saying...
     
  8. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    Hey I could describe tone from now until tomorrow but whatever words I used you would get a different mental image than what I meant. That's the way language is which is why I suggested you listen to multiple sites re: pick up tone because as you well know the pick up, amp and strings have as much to do with tone as the next thing. You don't need to idiot proof but if you wanted examples of particular players using those pickups then ask that. Trying to "divine" what a person wants on the internet is hardly a science. Furthermore I offered an opinion, the one I used with one of my Les Pauls to the single coil question. Get off it!
     
  9. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dood...No one was trying to "idiot proof" your question or oversimplify it...Its just so subjective that no one can really answer it without reference to different sources where you might be able to get a clearer idea than simply having it described in words. At least with the 'google' you might run across videos on youtube or somewhere ,where a player might be playing the actual set-up you are inquiring about and possibly the similar style of music you play.

    But there was no post given here trying to create a negative towards any 'junior member' or to dishearten anyone in search of information. The fact that you got as many answer to your inquiry as quickly as you did and with as much information as was given, means there was genuine interest in your question. And heartfelt answers.

    Had no one cared you would have never gotten a peep out of anyone.

    I dont know where you post regularly, but we dont roll like that here. Accusing this forum of banging on 'newbies' tells me that you havent read enough posts here to have that opinion and you should take a moment to reconsider your attitude towards those who truly wanted to help and support you in your quest. Having a chip on your shoulder about posting questions isnt a good way to start anywhere.......especiallly here.
     
  10. SammyD

    SammyD Guest

    Ok, my temper tantrum is over. I thought the Google comment was something it wasn't. (note to self: don't check email before getting morning coffee)
     
  11. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    Just another thought re: pick ups in general. I don't know if this is a Gibson LP which I own one of or an Epi which is what I put the 4 conductor pups in. My thought is that pickups in general are fairly inexpensive, a set usually runs around $100- $150. That can be 25% of the cost of the Epi but is only 3% of the cost of a Gibson but can make a huge impact in how we play and enjoy our instruments. I am not certain if this is something you plan on doing yourself or having done for you. I do some work myself on my less expensive guitars but I use a tech forthe higher quality instruments. My tech has been repairing guitars for over thirty five years and has strong relationships with his suppliers and can get pups and return them if they are not what he or his customer is looking for (they can be alligator clipped into the wiring for testing), but even if you are buying pickups and find that you really don't like them they should retain at least 75% of their value on ebay. Twenty five, thirty or forty dollars is in my mind fairly inexpensive especially considering the sums I have spent over the years in guitars, amps, pedals and hair pulling in search of the ever elusive perfect tone. I guess what I am saying is in the end you might not want to overthink this and just experiment, you can always put things back the way they were.
     
  12. SammyD

    SammyD Guest

    Again, sorry about the other day. I'm a douche, I think its terminal. Anyways I guess I will just throw down the money and get the pick ups and try them. next question if I'm not shunned is who makes the best p90's? Obviously Gibson did it first so they set the bar. Any others? I checked out the road house site and was kind of curious how their's sound in a gibson since they seem to be more geared towards fender type guitars. Any other manufacturers making any noteworthy? I'm just curious.
     
  13. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Sammy. Email Ken and ask him about the P90 style P/U. He just started them. I dont think they made the site yet. I played on the prototype a couple of weeks ago. They were unpotted and little hairy as far as the output but his winding techniques are sound, the quality is high and this looks like a great version of the P90's. He'll be cheaper than most simply because its just him in his little lab. Really. Email him.... its on the site.
     
  14. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    The Schecter I have has a Dimarzio Tone Zone P 90 in the bridge position, it was added to the guitar before I purchased it. It supposedly has a wider winding than the original Gibson design. I can't say its the only one I have played on, it doesn't have the strongest lead sound IMO its a great guitar for rhythm which is mostly what I play so... I have heard Lollar makes great P 90 pickups, the Epi I put Rio Grandes in they are awesome but not P 90s though they make them. DD knows what he's talking about I took his advice re: a practice amp and have been very happy. Let us know how you make out after you get them in, pretty curious.
     
  15. SammyD

    SammyD Guest

    Well Dave,
    I got in touch with Ken @ Roadhouse and he doesn't currently make humbucker sized P90s, but he said it was something he was interested in doing with me. how's that for service? So I'm not expecting to get any P90s for at least a couple of weeks, so I'll have to make due with the MIM Strat with Seymour Duncans that I just bought yesterday.
     
  16. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Hey, you could be the first!
     
  17. SammyD

    SammyD Guest

    Here's hoping!
     
  18. SammyD

    SammyD Guest

    Well, if anyone cares... Ken at Roadhouse has finished the prototype P90s for my LP and has shipped them. I hope to have them this week just in time for a fun weekend project. I will take pics of the process of changing out the pickups and post them if any one is interested. I hope to get some nice soundbites to post also for you guys to hear and comment on. One thing Ken really wanted when he agreed to make these pickups for me, is that he wanted players to play the guitar and give feedback. So if it's ok with you guys, any feedback you give me will be forwarded to Ken so that he can improve on the prototype. I am hoping some of you guys might even want to try it out in person at a particular studio opening down here in Sunny NC the beginning of May. I am really excited about getting these new P90s and I want to thank everyone for their input. All though I haven't heard the pickups yet, I would also like to put this out there: If you are looking for new pickups give Ken at Roadhouse a looksey b/c based on my experience with him, he goes far beyond what I would call exceptional customer service, and he REALLY takes pride in his work (I'm biased though b/c I'm now locked in to this prototype process). Stay tuned.
     
  19. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Yep. Thats our Ken.

    Please keep us informed as to how they sound. I absolutely love my set of Strat P/U's. (of course theres this BASS pickup I'm wanting too.......HI Ken!!!)
     
  20. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    So have you seeeen a bass prototype? P, J, other? Inquiring minds...
     

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