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Panning guitars in heavy metal

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by aspguitar, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. aspguitar

    aspguitar Guest

    I'm just doing some very basic recordings for some joke songs but i was wondering how when I'm listening to pro recordings the same guitar seems to come from wide both sides as opposed to the center. I don't know how this is achieved because when I double my guitar track and pan it hard left/right, all it does technically is amp up the sound on each side and it still sounds like it's coming though the center. Can anyone tell me how to achieve the hard left and right sound without it just boosting left/right volume which still sounds like its coming straight up the middle? Thanks!
     
  2. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    If your left and right tracks are exact copies of the same thing, then you can take one and shift it in time a bit (say 10 ms, feel free to experiment with different amounts). That should open up the sound but it will still sound like one performance.
    -Mark
     
  3. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Well-Known Member

    What makes you think it's a single guitar track? Where did it say this is a single guitar panned left & right? I mean, if you are a heavy metal group, what are you going to do with those extra 16 tracks you don't need to record on? Plus, I think they have a few more microphones and some acoustics to work with. So, put the guitar amplifier in the living room with a microphone. Take another microphone and put it upstairs. Take another microphone and put it down stairs. Then you'll have something that's more than mono.

    Mono EE mono
    Ms. Remy Ann David
     
  4. aspguitar

    aspguitar Guest

    Alright thanks for the help! Ill experiment with the slight track shift and with different acoustics to see what sounds best.
     
  5. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    let us know how it turns out!
     
  6. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    A great trick when you have a bunch of tracks is to use more than one amp in more than one acoustic environment.

    We used to throw the main amp out in the big room and then another entirely diffent amp in the vocal booth and one in the laundry room. You should hear a Marshall with a washer and a dryer on 11.
     
  7. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Yes, and in the bathroom!

    Gnarly, dude!

    Bath and Laundry, two of my favorite iso booths!
     
  8. aspguitar

    aspguitar Guest

    Well since this is just a joke song for this one preppy girl to try to scream to, I didn't experiment around that much. All I really tried is the slight delay which seemed to work. As far as all around mixing, this is my first time ever mixing a recording so any feedback would be great! http://media.putfile.com/Natalies-Song
     
  9. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    I gotta pinch myself - I've lurked here long enough to really pay attention when Remy, Davedog, or bent (and others) post. But my proposal was easier, and got the result aspguitar wanted! Who wants to lug all those extra amps?:D Don't worry, I won't let it go to my head... :wink:
     
  10. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Dude...thats why we all got 'seconds........'

    Lug wha....?

    Yeah....set it there....get me some coffee, K? Okay, get one for the Artist too..........
     
  11. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    Cream? Sugar? :lol:
     
  12. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Are you with Hollywood Records?

    I hear they're looking for a replacement for Ms. Lohan!

    :lol:

    (Oops, I guess I shouldn't crap where I eat?)
     
  13. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    Congratulations are in order.

    :cool:

    Now... Name the technique.
     
  14. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    :eek: Ohboy! [puts on thinking cap]

    ...the "Electric Slide"? Nope, already taken.

    ...how about the "Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique"? Nope, taken, too (and not really relevant I guess, but it sounds cool).

    Maybe the "Virtual Bathroom"?

    I'll sleep on it...
     
  15. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    You sleep on it, I'll drink to it.
     
  16. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Wait!WAIT!!! I know I know!!!!



    Its called __________ and it was developed by ___ __________ at ____________ studios because of a certain singer who loved the sound of this______________ but didnt like all the work involved.




    A tip of the the ole Shanter to all who play and get it right..........


    Extra credit for the 'other' results of this discovery. A hint. Theres three standard ones and a couple 'others' .........
     
  17. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    You could have let him sleep on it...

    :wink:
     
  18. nothin-yet

    nothin-yet Guest

    Hey aspguitar, maybe I can help. I'm just now graduating college with a degree in recording, and I think I know the sound you're looking for. Especially dealing with metal and the like, the artist will literally record two different takes of the same guitar lines on two different tracks (provided they're easy enough lines to closely replicate). Then just pan each take - one all the way left, the other to the right. This especially sounds good (to me) with rhythm tracks and palm-muted stuff, and has an advantage over shifting a copied recording slightly in time, which can simply give a chorused sound or not enough of that desired stereo effect. Good luck :)
     
  19. bent

    bent No Bad Vibes! Well-Known Member

    See, you guys are using the old noodle; you're bringing ideas to the table that will get you desirable results - that , above all else (IMHO) is what this site is all about!

    There's hope for the future after all!

    :cool:
     
  20. mwacoustic

    mwacoustic Guest

    Ok, I couldn't sleep without first doing a little research (thanks google and wikipedia).

    How about
    ADT (automatic double tracking)
    Ken Townsend
    Abbey Road
    (John Lennon)

    8)
     

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