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PARIS and G3

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Ed Gerhard, Feb 27, 2001.

  1. Ed Gerhard

    Ed Gerhard Guest

    Hi all-
    PARIS is crashing regularly on my G3 (300 mHz). I'm recording and mixing no more than seven or eight 24 bit files, some with lots of edits. I've tried setting the cache and disk I/O in every possible way, reinstalled PARIS (V 2.0) several times to no avail. Any tips? Do I need to soup up my Mac?
    Thanks in advance,
    Edundefined
     
  2. Dedric

    Dedric Guest

    What is your config? Ram, HD(1 or 2?), other PCI cards, OS, etc?

    It sounds like you've probably already tried this, but my first suggestions would be to set Paris' disk I/O to 128k, and your G3's cache to 128k. Also be sure virtual memory is off (if not already), and upgrade to 2.2, or at least 2.1final. The Emu site is down today, but I'm sure it will be up in a day or two - if you can't find 2.2 there for some reason (http://www.emuparis.com), let me know and I'll email it or post either one for you on my website.

    Also be sure that if you have any stereo plugins across two tracks, the edits on those two tracks are identical (i.e. select both before cutting, crossfading, etc). You shouldn't be having problems with only 7 or 8 tracks, but I don't know if there are any G3 issues that might be at work here.
     
  3. Ed Gerhard

    Ed Gerhard Guest

    Hi-thanks for your help! Here's the vitals on my G3 mini-tower:

    Disk cache: 128K
    RAM: 128MB
    Backside L2 cache: 1MB
    300MHz
    System 8.5
    There's a 7.8 gig drive and a 30 gig IBM Deskstar installed. I run the app from drive 1 and burn audio to the IBM.

    When I set the I/O cache to 128 in PARIS the application won't even open and I have to re install it.
    Thanks again.
    Cheers,
    Ed
     
  4. Max Howarth

    Max Howarth Member

    Hi Ed

    I think Dedric meant that you're to set the MAC cache to 128k (in the memory Control Panel). I'd also think about replacing both the boot drive and the audio drive with Maxtor DiamondMax Plus drives. We run PARIS on a cream G3 and after 2 years with the Maxtor as the audio drive decided that we may get another lease of life by replacing the boot drive.

    We did and it has.

    Gotta love those Maxtors.
     
  5. Max Howarth

    Max Howarth Member

    Hi again

    forgot to say, upgrade to MacOS 9.04 at the very least if not 9.1.

    We're running 9.1 on all our other Macs and it's running like a dream.

    9.04 on the PARIS machine but only 'cos of what I've read about the 8-bit colour issue.

    9.04 has been very very stable for us.

    Speak soon


    Max
     
  6. Max Howarth

    Max Howarth Member

    Doh! Feel a chump today. ALSO forgot to say GET SOME MORE RAM.

    V. Important.

    We've got 384 (I think) in our G3. PARIS is allocated 72Mb, Peak is allocated 64Mb, Spark Ð 36Mb, etc.

    The MacOS takes up around 36-40Mb so you're running pretty close. RAM's cheap at the moment.


    Max
     
  7. Dedric

    Dedric Guest

    Originally posted by Max Howarth:
    Hi again

    forgot to say, upgrade to MacOS 9.04 at the very least if not 9.1.

    We're running 9.1 on all our other Macs and it's running like a dream.

    9.04 on the PARIS machine but only 'cos of what I've read about the 8-bit colour issue.

    9.04 has been very very stable for us.

    Speak soon


    Max


    Max - are you running 9.1 on your Paris mac? There are some 8-bit graphic boundary problems with 9.1 and Paris has been reported as susceptible to bizarre graphics as a result. V3.0 will be all 24-bit graphics so this won't be an issue, but I've refrained from loading 9.1 just for that reason (don't think my eyes would enjoy it very much). 9.04 is great here too however.

    I did suggest 128k for both the Mac disk cache and for Paris' disk I/O setting, but it doesn't sound like that helped Ed any. I have a G4 - hopefully you can provide more insight into Ed's G3 problems than I have.

    Ed - Perhaps Ram is the issue - Paris doesn't respond well to the min default allocation setting of 33M with plugins and edits - I have 120M allocated for Paris (for lots of Waves plugins, edits etc). You should be fine allocating between 50 and 75M for Paris (preffered AND min to be sure Mac OS doesn't short change Paris - you will need more RAM to allocate this much or Mac OS will scream).
     
  8. Ed Gerhard

    Ed Gerhard Guest

    Hi- thanks to all for your responses. PARIS is still pretty buggy, but I'm coping. I can't find a download area on the EMU-Ensoniq website to download v2.1 but will keep looking.
    I've also noticed a few things that are a bit strange, and would be interested to hear if other PARIS users are experiencing similar bugs.
    BUG # 1: Occasionally I will solo an effect and find that audio from tracks not sent to that particular effect is present. Sometimes I can make it go away if I change the effect (i.e., from Plate to no effect, then back to Plate), sometimes I have to close and reopen the project.
    BUG #2: Sometimes I'll option-drag a file to an adjacent track with the time constrained tool for edits or comparing different EQs, effects, etc. I've noticed that when both channels are set identically, reversing the phase does not cancel the audio- I can hear that some cancellation is occurring, but most of it gets through. Curious.
    Despite the bugs, I still love working with PARIS, and look forward to upgrading to PRO on a G4.
    Thanks again,
    Ed
     
  9. Max Howarth

    Max Howarth Member

     
  10. Dedric

    Dedric Guest

    Originally posted by Ed Gerhard:
    BUG # 1: Occasionally I will solo an effect and find that audio from tracks not sent to that particular effect is present. Sometimes I can make it go away if I change the effect (i.e., from Plate to no effect, then back to Plate), sometimes I have to close and reopen the project.

    This was supposedly fixed in 2.1/2.2 - I haven't noticed this, but it may also depend on your effects routing.


    BUG #2: Sometimes I'll option-drag a file to an adjacent track with the time constrained tool for edits or comparing different EQs, effects, etc. I've noticed that when both channels are set identically, reversing the phase does not cancel the audio- I can hear that some cancellation is occurring, but most of it gets through. Curious.
    Despite the bugs, I still love working with PARIS, and look forward to upgrading to PRO on a G4.
    Thanks again,
    Ed

    Phase cancellation works fine here on 2.2. I don't have any more crashes with Paris on my G4 since I started clearing the Undo/Redo history every now and then (esp. when running Waves plugins - did a large edit session yesterday with no plugins - no problem).
     
  11. Ed Gerhard

    Ed Gerhard Guest

    Thanks for your help, Max and Dedric. Got v2.1 installed and so far it looks okay. A session that gave me trouble seems to be running smoothly (although a fresh install usually cured things temporarily with v2.0).
    As for the bugs; no problem with the effects, and I'm able to totally cancel audio with the phase button. I always worried about not being able to totally trust the time constrained tool but I guess it's fine now.
    Thanks again for your input.
    Best,
    Ed
     

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