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PC vs. MAC

Discussion in 'Recording' started by bewailin, Dec 5, 2005.

  1. bewailin

    bewailin Guest

    Hey everyone...I just joined this forum, and I'm sure my first post will stir up some responses...

    I am about to purchase either a Power Mac G5 or a PC of it's caliber. My budget is about $1500, so I could get a very high end, snazzy PC.

    My issues are this:
    -I've been using PC's to record for years, and I've grown familiar with the programs I use...primarily Cakewalk Sonar 4.0 Producer. If I went with the MAC, I wouldn't be able to run this program (I assume), so I would lose a lot of songs.

    -the main thing I want is a fast processor. when i did side by side comparisson, it looks as if the G5 processor isn't as fast as a high end Dell...even an $899 Dell is faster....are MAC's processors different, so that a 2 GHz is equal to a 3.2 GHz PC???? I'm confused...why would MAC G5 be only 2 GHz? Take a look at this link to see what I'm talking about.

    http://tinyurl.com/dzl3u

    I know that people are loyal to one or the other...MAC or PC. I don't really care what I use, as long as it's fast. I can learn how to use MAC's if it really is better. I don't like their operating system, but I can get over that. And no, I don't work for Dell...in fact I hate their customer service. I would get any good computer at this point.

    so, let me know what you think. all suggestions welcome.
     
  2. TeddyG

    TeddyG Well-Known Member

    Pick the software you want to run.

    Pick the machine that will run that software well.


    Actually, it's not about the computers OR the software, it's about you, your desires and your capabilities, the machine must remain simply a tool. The computer(And all other "gear') need be only the right screwdriver for the screw you want to use.

    "Fast" is almost irrelevent in computer audio, itself. "Fast", like everything else, can also be "interpretted" in many ways. Some "super" software can suck-up alot of power, complex displays of information(Pictures with sound), the same, but, audio, itself, is rather computer-non-intensive - it's just data and not much of that. With any machine, just make sure to follow your software makers "requirements". Doesn't matter what computer you buy, the new ones'll be twice as "fast" next year...

    Mac or PC? It's what you are or want to get used to. In your case, stick with the PC and build on your experience or switch to Mac and spend a whole lot of time learning about IT, and a whole lot less time putting out better product - for some time to come. Even if the Mac, IS better(It is in some ways, not in others - mostly irrelevent.), can you afford to switch now? Only you can decide...


    Teddy G.


    BTW: The last time I looked at the "best available" Mac(Years ago) it was about 5 thousand dollars! Now you can get their best for 1500 or less? Man, I'm old...

    Still, when I update my soundcard from a LynxOne to a LynxTwo, it alone will be more than a grand..? My new mic pre a grand+, my new mic 2000+, my new speakers 2000+(And, as a single voiceover person, I only need ONE OF EACH!). Even so, to think that I may have to plug everything into an $899 computer(If that's all that's left?) sort've makes me shiver.
     
  3. bewailin

    bewailin Guest

    TeddyG,
    thanks for your imput. I agree with your first statement. I want to use Cakewalk Sonar 4.0...because I have tons of recorded files with that program, and I want to be able to continue to be able to access them on my new computer. I guess what I asking is (and I will go directly to Cakewalk and ask this), do you know if there's a way to run PC programs on MAC? I heard about a Windows converter you can get.

    about the speed of the computer. I know there are a lot of factors that go into it. I was just curious why MAC G5 is only a 2.5 GHz...??

    thanks again
     
  4. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    For a long time now top PCs have been beating top Macs in benchmarks, check out Google. For half the price too. :) All the top IT guys use PCs for audio editing. Leading PC/Mac expert Leo LaPorte, host of the most popular podcast on earth "Twit", who uses a Mac for lots of stuff, does all his audio editing exclusively on a PC. There's a reason for that. I recommend PC very strongly for about a thousand reasons. Macs are nothing but grief. Grief, expense, and more grief. :cool:
     
  5. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    CORRECT !!!

    as said above ...
    Choose the Application
    the Application will choose the Operating System
    the OS will choose the platform

    AND it has been this way since the late 70's

    yes some Applications can run on both platforms BUT look deep as there can still be a difference

    example
    PT HD can run on both OSX and XP but Virus plug is only on one platform.
    Virus plug is an Application ... so you end up on Mac.
     
  6. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Go PC for now but when the second generation of Intel based Macs come out, I think that will definitely be the way to go. The first generation won't be so great as most of the software is still ported to the motorola chip so they will be in essence running in emulation mode. Once the software companies catch up to the change, Mac will start kickin some serious butt. The playing field will be closer to level than it ever has been and the benefits of a Next based operating system will become apparent for us Windows users.
     
  7. TeddyG

    TeddyG Well-Known Member

    Bewaillin,

    I am not a computer expert(I keep telling myself that I don't have to be, full-well knowing that I do, just to keep the stupid things going - at all!).

    Anyway, and again. One persons 2.5 mhz is another persons 4.5 mhz, is another persons 1.2 mhz... There's just a whole lot more to it than some "benchmark" based on processor speed, alone. I am enough of an "expert" to know this at least.

    Just a for-instance. A person designing software for a Mac, has an advantage, They only have to deal with systems that are almost completely "known". Windows "systems' are almost completely "unknown". Inotherwords, my custom-built machine, running Windows 2000 Pro, on this mother board, using that video card and this processor and that ram and this that and that this, is difficult to design for. With a Mac it's THIS MB, THIS processor, THIS ram, pretty much right on down the line - you don't "piecemeal" a Mac. To say nothing of the Mac OS, itself. Windows is HUGE and PONDEROUS, for a very good reason! It has to accomodate EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING! If nothing else, the Mac, which needs to accomodate only very strictly regimented(Actually - DICTATED) software and devices "should be" simpler, thus, more efficient, thus, a "slower" processor should do as well as a faster processor on a PC..?

    Sorry, I have no time(Well... no money... TIME, I got plenty of...) to take an IT course to know more about this(If YOU have time, you should!).

    Bottomline. Mac SHOULD be just plain easier to use, less problematic, though with(Maybe severely, depending on application) limited software and devices. While a PC should be "wide open" and forgiving, with more choices than you can shake a stick at - yet... can be a real chore to just get going and keep going - at all. A PC, running windows will DO it! How well? Ay, there's the rub. Instead of Apple tech support, much of how well a PC operates depends on you....
     
  8. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    Fact: Computers are powerful

    Fact: Computers are going to get more powerful


    Forget the numbers and all that other $*^t, get what works for you. You can get the job done on either platform.

    Get the best that you can afford.
     
  9. bewailin

    bewailin Guest

    i thank eveyone for their imput. i'm taking them all to heart, but no one has answered one of my 2 issues, which is that i am wondering if i can use a program like Cakewalk, or other PC programs that have all of my projects (with effects, and panning, and faders, etc), and imput it into MAC without losing anything that i've worked on....i heard about some kind of converter...i guess i'll ask MAC, but they will try to sell it to me and say that it works fine...has anyone out there converted files from PC to MAC?? If so, any problems? Anyway, for the first time in my life, money isn't an issue, so i want to get the best I can get to handle live multi-track, and I think that if I spend $2000 on a PC, i'll get much more than $2000 G5...

    thanks again
     
  10. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    That's *for* sure. Another advantage is that there's tons of excellent free software/resources online for PCs, but much, much less free stuff for Mac... :cool:
     
  11. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    Cross-platform issues depend more on the software than the hardware. Most programs work in .wav files, which should cross over fine. ProTools uses SDII files which need to have certain options enabled to make them work cross-platform. Most audio programs on either platform have the ability to import various other audio types into their working type. It's time-consuming that way, but it's better than nothing.

    For the record, steer clear of cakewalk. Look at options like Nuendo and Cubase for PC, Logic or DP for Mac.


    And for my $.02 on the platform war. I have both, both work well. I like both. However, if you walk in to any high end studio, you're going to see a Mac. End of story.
     
  12. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    True.

    If you walk into any high end studio you will also see a PC.
     
  13. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    Yeah, they don't make much in the way of accounting software for Macs :p
     
  14. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    Nor is it stylish to prop your door open using a PC. :D
     
  15. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    They put those handles on there for a reason!
     
  16. Vaylence

    Vaylence Guest

    buy a comp???

    screw that noise, build it yo self and you are forever upgradable as long as you pick an upgradeable motherboard.

    Comps are getting more powerfull, true. Why go through all the hassle of trashing another grand because your processer is being sluggish. For less than 200 american you can get a blazing fast cpu. and for 1500 you can get a system that will beat the pants off any prefab pc or mac at that price.

    Another plus is the only software on the machine is what you want on it. some folks like a bloated hard drive, with all sorts of crappy photo editing software, but me, I like music. If you are going to have a dedicated machine it makes sense to have dedicated software.

    I dont even have microsoft word, when I needed a word processor I downloaded one that was freeware.

    Options people!

    anywho thats all I have [/quote]
     
  17. xian

    xian Guest

    I'm onboard with that option. That's what I did, and for $1400 CAD, I have a computer that is still kicking so much ass, 3 years later.

    If only there were a better OS for PC that companies built sequencers for. I am so sick of windows. I found a brilliant tool to help with a clean installation though, it's called nLite. Check it out when you're ready to install XP, you can get rid of at LEAST 1/2 of the processes that backlog your system, freeing up more CPU/RAM for your audio processing. Still, with all that, I wish there were a better way. Day by day, I'm thinking about going Mac. If only it were as malleable as the PC platform, I guess that's the trade off.

    It seems silly, but a big disadvantage to Mac for me (among other things) is that stupid mouse. Why in the hell would anyone want to 'ctrl' click anything? Just put a second button on there for god's sake! What, they think we're going to get confused? That our middle finger won't know what our index finger is doing? Oh, ha.... I see that they have, hmm looks interesting.

    With a computer, I like to be able to rip apart every detail and 'f' with it. Mac just doesn't let me do that. Plus everything for Mac is muchos expensive. I guess I should have a PC for personal use, and a Mac for audio. I'm turing into a raving lunatic having a conversation with myself. See what this topic does to me?
     
  18. crapface

    crapface Guest

    id say if that for 1500 your best bet would be to BUILD a pc and customize it to your exact needs. I like mac better then pcs but if i got a new mac right now i would spend the money to get quad processors. macs are definetly faster then pcs if you get a dual proceesor mac. but again if you only have $1500 to spend on one then ypu would be better to build one. i built one and i didn't know anything about how to build one and i figured it out and it wasn't that hard to do. another benefit of getting a mac though is if you get a cinama display (at least 20 inch) then it wil be a better monitor then you could ever get on a pc. another thing to conisider is the software. you said youve been using software for pc. if you have alot of experience with the software then just stick with pc for now.
     
  19. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    No, Macs are not faster than PCs for audio. Dual processor to dual processor, with a proper setup PCs are faster than Mac for less money, with tons more software and support available, and with replacement/expansion parts readily available anywhere for cheap. There are benchmarks on Google to back that up. Mac people like to make that claim but it stopped being true years and years ago. Fact is that for audio editing you can build a faster PC for less money, period. Make some calls to your local Mac and PC dealers, you'll see. Never mind trying to expand a Mac or get one fixed which can be an utter nightmare.

    I agree about building a PC, that's what I did and it's been a 100% positive experience. Always get the board mounted in the box by a pro though, it's only $25 to do that. From there it's a breeze to do everything on your own. :cool:
     
  20. xian

    xian Guest

    Out of curiosity, why do you say get the board mounted professionally? That never occured to me; it wasn't any harder than, say, intalling ram or hooking up IDE cables.
     

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