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Picking Mics - adventures in M/S

Discussion in 'Microphones' started by kidtexas, Dec 22, 2003.

  1. kidtexas

    kidtexas Guest

    Hey guys, I asked a similar question a while back, but was looking for some advice on mics. I currently have a selection of dynamics and a pair of akg 451b's. I was looking to get a new pair of mics to play a bit more with stereo. I especially want to experiment with M/S recording techniques.

    Originally I was looking at 414 buls's since that would give me a) large diaphragm condensors b) omni and figure 8. I'd really like to play around with some stereo techniques and it seemed like a pair of multipattern mics would do the trick.

    However, I was also looking into modular mic/capsule sets. While not quite as convenient for switching patterns (or as cheap...), everyday practicality might be much better since I wouldn't have to move around 2 414's cobbled together in some goofy M/S array. Another thing that appealed to me in this respect is that I might be able to double up a mic for boom duties for video (though I could always just pick up a mic specifically for that).

    So I guess I am asking advice on what you guys think the best system for playing around with this stuff and also ending up with a nice usable set of mics, for M/S and for other uses.

    Again, I was thinking in the 1200-1500 range. Mic's I had in mind were 414's, AKG's Blueline (they have a figure 8 capsule and for that and two bodies/cardioid would be about 1000), and a schoeps setup (a bit more than I can spend). I'd look at other setups, but other than other large diaphragm condenser setups, I was coming up dry.
  2. sammyg

    sammyg Active Member

    Dec 12, 2003

    I recently tried out a Rode NT4, stereo mic in an XY position, it didnt sound too bad. Im prettry sure they are available in the states.

    check 'em out: http://www.rode.com.au

    " microphones are like women and bottles of beer, you can never have too many"

  3. robdarling

    robdarling Guest

    One of the tricky parts of getting m/s to work is getting a figure 8 that sounds the same both front and back- not all mics do this.

    The greatest success I've had with M/S was with the Soundleux U-99.
  4. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Distinguished Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Silicon Valley
    If your talking about $1500 for two LD mics, you are severly limited in getting both real good quality and good multi-polar pattern response. For your budget, the 414's would be decent mics to play with as would the AT 4050's.
  5. RecorderMan

    RecorderMan Distinguished Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    I'd get a pair of Shure KSM44's. they'll fit the budget and are very good versatile LDC with pads, roll offs and selectable pattern control.
  6. kidtexas

    kidtexas Guest

    I realize no one mic (or pair of mics) can perform all roles. I was originally thinking LD mics in the 414's, AT 40??, and the studio projects C3's, but then I got to thinking a pair of SD mics might be better for usability in M/S configuration. I'm just picturing two pencil type SD's stacked on top of each other as opposed to 414's stacked top to top in an ungainly array.

    What do you guys use for M/S? LD or SD?
  7. Aziel

    Aziel Guest

    what about the earthworks or the Josephson mics? ;)
  8. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    Any performance advantage between KSM44 and AT4050?

    The AT4050 are less expensive.
  9. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Distinguished Member

    Oct 7, 2001
    OK...I must be missing something here (I am quite dense you know!). If you want to do M/S recording, you need a figure-of-eight mic, which requires two diaphragms, or maybe you could use 3 mics, but I really have no clue on that??? :confused:

    You talk about 2 SDC stacked on top of each other...are you talking with the elements together as in a coincident pair (x/y), or at opposite ends, kind of like a F-O-8??? If the latter is the case, then I guess you are talking about a 3 mic setup for M/S, which I don't know that I have ever seen a decoder for that...

    You mention in your original post that you have a pair of 451's...there are your SDC's right there. There are better models around to be sure, but if you say you want to "play around" with M/S...and you already have 2 SDC's, yet are looking for another set...???

    Like I said, I am really confused! Hehe... :confused:

    Everyone else seems to be understanding you, so it *must* just be me!

    BTW...a nice pair of 414's would work great, and then give you a nice set of mics to double as drum OH's (they are a bit silibant for vox however).
  10. kidtexas

    kidtexas Guest

    They make small diaphragm mics that have figure 8 patterns. I think Sennheiser makes one, as well as a removable capsule for the AKG blueline system (ck94) and the Schoeps small diaphragm mic system (mk8 capsule). I'm sure there are others out there... Thus you could use one of the aforementioned figure 8 mics in combination with another SD cardiod mic.
  11. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Distinguished Member

    Oct 7, 2001
    Ahhhhh....I didn't know that! Thanks! Makes sense now! Sounds like a more simplified setup.

    I am assuming that these mics have a switchable pattern so that you could use them elsewhere as well.

    Thanks for the info, I knew I was missing something!
  12. Marik

    Marik Guest

    Not all fig8 mics require two diphragms. For example Sennheiser MHK30 RF mic, has one. It makes response patterns identical from both sides, which is important for MS. A ribbon mic--like Royer, would be another option, but you will definitely need to try it first.

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