Pipeorgan recording

Discussion in 'Location Recording' started by _basso_, Jun 14, 2007.

  1. _basso_

    _basso_ Active Member


    Short question, what is your opinion about this recording?


    I can't say anything about the microphones, it's under development.

    Here is a pictures from the recording session.

  2. larsfarm

    larsfarm Active Member

    I like the balance of this and the last one with the guitar much better than the ones you presented long ago. Here you allow the instrument to sound without drowning in the large room. Nice. I like it. This and the guitar/organ recording. I wish the instruments I have access to would sound like that Grönlund. It is Luleå Cathedral, isn't it?

  3. _basso_

    _basso_ Active Member

    Jepp! it's in Luleå Cathedral
  4. DavidSpearritt

    DavidSpearritt Well-Known Member

    I like the sound very much, although two things are of note to me. One is the slight lack of high frequency information, were these ribbons mics by any chance, and the other is that the sound seems a bit uncorrelated between the left and right channels, it sounds like two pools of mono, instead of a more coherent image. Interested in more info on the mics and patterns used.

    Does that sandbag fall on the organists head if he plays a wrong note?
  5. _basso_

    _basso_ Active Member

    It's tube microphones in omni mode, but the angle outward is ten degrees.
    Yepp and now I know it's too small angel on that distance from the organ.

    And yes! it's slight lack of high frequency, and i don't know if the angel is the
    problem. may be it's has something too do with the microphones ?

    Obvious it's has some thing to do with the mic....but is the problem technical,
    or is it I that is the miss? :shock:

    What's your experience?

    Yes! the sandbag is placed with careful thought.

    Dare!!! if you play only one note wrong... bang!! you are history Mr Wargh. :roll:
  6. larsfarm

    larsfarm Active Member

    With omni mics the angle isn't supposed to matter, but it does for higher frequencies. 10° means it is still pointing directly at the organ, just not the middle of the organ. Instead, you'll probably find that the higher up on the pipes you get the sharper the sound.

  7. Simmosonic

    Simmosonic Active Member

    I doubt the angel was the problem. I haven't seen any of those since I was a kid. They're extinct, aren't they?

    But seriously, when you said "the angle outward is ten degrees", did you mean each mic was angled 10 degrees out from the centre, implying a subtended angle of 20 degrees? Or did you mean that each microphone was only five degrees out from centre, creating a subtended angle of 10 degrees? Maybe it's not much of a difference anyway, but I'm just putting up possibilities.

    I had a similar problem recording a pipe organ with DPA 4015s, which have a slight high frequency boost on axis. It was the first time I had used them, in fact. I had the 4015s angled apart like ORTF, and when I played it back later there was an obvious high frequency hole in the centre of the recording. I fixed it by converting the signal to MS, and EQing the M separately to the S until it sounded better. (These days I am smarter when using 4015s, and adjust the angle accordingly.)

    So perhaps the omnis you were using have an on-axis high frequency boost, or a very poor off-axis response at high frequencies.

    Or perhaps they are just a bit too far apart, causing the classic hole-in-the-middle effect, although it is only noticeable at high frequencies on this recording due to the increased directionality of high frequencies contrasted against the larger and less directional wavelengths of low frequencies.
  8. _basso_

    _basso_ Active Member

    Hmm! yes each mic was angled 10 degrees out from the centre, the space between
    the microphones was 25.59 inch (65cm), distance from the organ was 16.4 foot (5m)...

    I'm sorry if I drew in angels in to my recording :roll:
    Perhaps the angels tried to help me... who knows. :wink:
  9. Simmosonic

    Simmosonic Active Member

    How wide is the organ, from the far left pipe to the far right pipe?
  10. larsfarm

    larsfarm Active Member

    There's a description here from the organ builders site. http://www.gronlunds-orgelbyggeri.se/scripts/visa_orgel_sv.asp?id=1 I suppose one could hazard a guess using the console as reference.


    (fixed url/L)
  11. _basso_

    _basso_ Active Member

    I would say quite exactly 7m ( 23fot ).
  12. Thomas W. Bethel

    Thomas W. Bethel Well-Known Member

    How did you keep the tripod stand from tipping over? Those look like heavy microphones and they are a ways out. We carry some shot filled canvas bags with us for just such an occasion to counterweight the stand.

    Just wondering.....
  13. _basso_

    _basso_ Active Member

    I have a sandbag filled with small stones (35 pound) as counterweight.
    The boom I use is a juniorstand that I picked apart and fixed with
    a MP EYE COUPLER W/28MM SPIGOT Manfrotto(Avenger)
  14. falcon1

    falcon1 Guest

    Wow, very good!

    It sounds great in my Sennheiser headphones, a bit bass heavy but I like it! :D

    What mics did you use?

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