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Please review my proposed setup (well researched newbie!)

Discussion in 'Recording' started by BobbyJ, Oct 2, 2008.

  1. BobbyJ

    BobbyJ Guest

    Hi there,

    I'm looking to build a setup for use both at home initially (vocals, acoustic guitar, bass, keys, percussion) and subsequently a fuller band with electric guitar + drums. Eventually recording live. I've included as much info as I can for you!

    My proposed setup is as follows:

    Custom built PC from http://
    Case - PaQ 4U-550 + PSU (Seasonic S-12 430 OEM) - this is a custom silent DAW setup, rackmounted
    Motherboard - Intel DP35DPM
    CPU - Intel Core 2 Quad Q-6600
    Cooler -Thermalright XP-120 + 140mm Fan and Exhaust Duct
    RAM - 2 x 2GB Corsair XMS2 PC6400 (800Mhz Cas 5)
    Graphics Card - GigaByte 8400 GS
    HD - 2 x 640GB WD SE16, SATA II, 7200 rpm
    Pioneer DVR-215BK Black 16x16 DVD±RW Dual Layer DVD
    XP Home

    Pro Tools M Powered
    Pro Tools Music Production Toolkit (plugins etc)
    M Audio Profire 2626 (A/D, preamps, MIDI etc)
    AT4033 carioid Condenser (vocals)
    Stereo matched pair Rode NT55 condenser (omni/cardioid for acoustic guitar + anything else e.g. drum overheads)
    Sony MDR 7509 headphones (closed for monitoring but also mixing in the evening when small kids in bed! -I'm aware of the limitations!)
    I already have SM57 + SM58s, stands, cables etc.

    Studio Monitors to follow - ideas please? I'm at a loss here. Say £250? Also not sure on acoustic treatment for a 12' by 8' room? Cheap and preferably white please! (Will help keep the peace with my wife if subtle!).

    Also, I picked the AT4033 as it seems to have reviews that consistently place it above, say, the AT4050 for vocals. Though I realise it's not so flexible (cardioid only). How would this compare to the NT55s for miking acoustic guitar?

    I hope that's comprehensive enough. All comments/ alternatives/ omissions/ challenges welcome! Many thanks.
     
  2. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Even though they will have to pry my 4033 from my dead cold fingers in order to get it from me, I think you'd be better served with the 4050 in this case. It is a bit more versatile, although I have yet to find something that the 4033 doesnt sound really good on.......think of the 4050 as its big brother.
     
  3. BobbyJ

    BobbyJ Guest

    I thought as much. However the 4033 seems to be favoured for vocals by a number of people. I'd really value this but I guess if there's not much in it...

    Any view on the monitors or other setup? Thanks.
     
  4. hackenslash

    hackenslash Active Member

    Good choise of DAW builder. Peter's a dude, and extremely knowledgable. I have a very similar setup, though self built and using an Asus P5K MOBO. You'll deffop have no troubles in that regard, as Peter tests components to destruction.

    I'm with Dave on the mic, though the 4033 is a superb mic.

    Monitors? The HS80s are getting good coverage at the mo, though I haven't used them myself.

    Monitors are a difficult choice. Grab your fave reference CDs and go try some out, is my advice. You want something really transparent and clean.
     
  5. BobbyJ

    BobbyJ Guest

    Come on all you people viewing the post - comment on it! By the way...I presume you've all seen the announcment for Pro Tools 8?...
     
  6. hackenslash

    hackenslash Active Member

    Pro what? Never heard of it. :lol:
     
  7. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Ahh to be a PT newbie and actually be excited about a new release. As someone who is still happily using 6.XX and not looking to upgrade anytime soon, I kind of envy you and pity you in equal measure. I think that PT was the best way for me to start out because of the number of resources available to learn the system. But I'm planning to move to something else when (in the distant future) I go for another DAW. There are a few little features that I like better in other software. And the upgrades and hardware tie are a problem if you don't have a professional commitment to stay on up on the latest releases.

    I usually don't have comments on a reasonable system like yours. It could easily serve you very well. It's hard to know without knowing your whole past and future. So when I do have comments I'm never confident they will work out. Good luck.
     
  8. EricUndead

    EricUndead Guest

    My only comment would be if your new at this, as I am, spend more on monitors. At the very least research the crap out of them and go listen to them. The best purchase I've made so far was spending more money on monitors. I had some M-Audio BX5a's and thought they would translate but I was wrong. It was like trying to see a mountain with only a flash light. I purchased the JBL LSR 4328 propack and some room treatment and at least I can see an outline of the mountain as if it were being lit by the moon. I think its like learning to hear all over again.

    This is about the best reference I can give you with out you having to go though listening to a mix on 5 or more different sound systems only to go back and blindly make adjustments only to have another frequency or sound become glaringly exaggerated in your mix and then repeat this procedure an unimaginable amount of times.

    Just my 2 cents which are US currency and only probably worth just over 1 cent now........
     
  9. BobbyJ

    BobbyJ Guest

    Guys these comments are so helpful. I'm seriously considering Logic now on a MacBook Pro.

    What's the view on Logic vs Cubase? I get the impression they are both more intuative than Pro Tools, and have been advised by a friend who teachs this stuff that Logic is really on the way up. It's the primary choice for teaching now.

    Also, what would I be setting myself at a disadvantage by going with a high powered MacBook Pro rather than a tower? (I presume I should get a friewire external drive in addition for use on the fly? - they have 2 firewiare ports).
     
  10. hackenslash

    hackenslash Active Member

    If you are likely to do a lot of MIDI editing, Cubase all the way. Otherwise, they're about on par with each other. Cubase still has the best MIDI package of any DAW app, IMO, and logical edit is the single best feature in DAW land. Again, only my opinion.
     
  11. lostindundee

    lostindundee Active Member

    Hi there

    Do PAQ actually build the entire DAW with the list of specs you request - i.e. motherboard, processor, memory, number of PCI/e slots and Hard Disk(s) etc?

    Any clarification would be good as the website kinda looks as though they only sell the quiet cases.


    Regards

    LiD
     
  12. BobbyJ

    BobbyJ Guest

    They make the cases themselves as a specialist product, but also offer a service whereby they spec and build whole DAWs for you. Very quick response, good on the phone. A small company with customer focus because of it. They will build and test your DAW completely etc.

    Though I haven't bought, I'm highly likely to if I go the PC route. They discuss every element of it with you. As you can see, I'm still on the fence as to PC vs Mac based on the choice of software.

    If Logic then will probably be a MacBook Pro for me. If Pro Tools then the rig I set out above from PAQ.
     
  13. lostindundee

    lostindundee Active Member

    Thank you BobbyJ

    I'll definitely be looking at PAQ when I have the money in the New Year. :D


    Cheers

    LiD
     

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