Plugin for Volume And Frequency Needed

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by Anish Ashokan, Mar 28, 2015.

  1. Anish Ashokan

    Anish Ashokan Active Member

    Hi guys , I'm looking for a plugin to use as an instrument tuning effect that displays the fundamental frequency for the note/pitch your playing at. Now this effect would use that number to control a volume knob that will turn the volume of the audio up and down in real time with the changes in the fundamental frequency. I'm not trying to create one envelope for a separate band, i'm trying to use the current fundamental frequency(like a guitar tuner displays the current frequency) to control the volume of the effected tone audio in real time. So imagine a guitarist looking at a tuner and holding a volume knob, When he sees the pitch/frequency going down, he turns the volume knob down at the same time, and when the pitch goes back up he turns the volume knob back up at the exact same time.

    Could you please help me with the name of any such plugins ?
     
  2. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Welcome,

    It sounds like you are wanting a mastering tool that shows the fundamental freq of all the instruments ranges from 20hz to 20,000hz which can be set up to allow a similar way to add or reduce frequency bands like a 31 band graphic EQ, but at a larger scale covering the full 88 notes in chromatic steps like piano per-say, yes?
     
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Are you also wanting to use this as an effect like a resonance filter sweep or is this to automate tuning or volumes?
    Keywords similar to a Freq Rider. Vocal Rider? Pitch Rider. Melodyne. Autotune come to mind.
     
  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=freq+rider+plugins+to+control+chormatic+scales&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=nBUXVefPPJeUoQTVzoH4DA#q=frequency+rider+plugins+to+control+chromatic+scales

    http://www.waves.com/plugins/pitch-time#sort:path~type~order=.default-order~number~asc|views:view=list-view|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=20

    http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/
     
  5. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

  6. Anish Ashokan

    Anish Ashokan Active Member

    Hey Chris, Thanks a lot for the help. I've looked through all of your replies and They're quite helpful. My only problem is that I need the plugin to be in real time and adapt to any instrument I throw at it. It's input source should be only the frequency being played and the output volume should vary according to it. For eg. If I play 10 Khz Volume should be 100%, 9 Khz volume at 9% and so on and so forth. Just to give an example.

    I tried this effect called pitcher on fl studio and it followed my my changes in pitch perfectly but the downside was that it was only a pitch correction plugin like auto-tune, and it doesnt have the ability to control volume. So if there was a plugin that detected real time pitch/fundamental frequency and use that amount to control volume in real time then that plugin would be exactly what I needed.
     
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  7. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I'm assuming the input of a mono instrument = note = frequency?
     
  8. Anish Ashokan

    Anish Ashokan Active Member

    Yes Exactly. Input to the plugin is only the frequency (mono/ Single Instrument) - A Single electric guitar perhaps.
     
  9. Anish Ashokan

    Anish Ashokan Active Member

    I tried this effect called pitcher on fl studio and it followed my my changes in pitch perfectly but the downside was that it was only a pitch correction plugin like auto-tune, and it doesnt have the ability to control volume. So if there was a plugin that detected real time pitch/fundamental frequency and use that amount to control volume in real time then that plugin would be exactly what I needed.
     
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I'm not sure of such a plug-in (yet) but we are getting closer to what you are needing. Perhaps we can keep brain storming until we attract more members to chime in.
    In the pro audio world we have a process called side chain . Are you familiar with side chain ?

    Side Chaining Compression & Ducking
    Frequency Dependent Side-Chaining

    A standard process to control the amplitude of a particular note or area of frequencies can be controlled by connecting an EQ or frequency filter to sweep or pin point the suspect area, then force a compressor to dip or increase that freq in real time.
     
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

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  13. Anish Ashokan

    Anish Ashokan Active Member

    What you've mentioned would definitely work. But the problem is, the plugin needs to detect real time audio pitch like Melodyne or Auto tune . And it needs to increase or decrease the volume accordingly to my requirement.
     
  14. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Yes, I completely understand. You would do this by feeding the mono freq in realtime, then use one of the many possible sidechain methods to drop the unwanted.

    I believe there is a plugin used for bass wobble that does this. I will look for it and reply back.
     
  15. Anish Ashokan

    Anish Ashokan Active Member

    Thanks a lot :)
     
  16. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I might be missing the point of why you would need or want this and excuse me for being blunt but why are you not using a volume or gain control instead ??
     
  17. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    It sounds to me as if he wants a note to trigger a rise in amplitude for a particular frequency/note. I'm not aware of a plug that does this, at least not yet, but Chris's suggestion of using a sidechain makes the most sense, in that it's not necessarily raising the note itself, but attenuating the gain of everything else but the note/frequency that is wanted...kinda like a sidechain de-esser, but in reverse.

    a multi-band compressor might also be able to do this - to some degree - if you chose a very tight Q on the frequency you wanted, and allowed it to pass, while attenuating everything else around it...although you would need an incredibly tight Q for this.

    just kinda thinking out loud...

    d.
     
  18. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I think surferEQ might do the trick, Altought it needs to be loaded in a DAW that is capable of applying it live... (sonar does it)
     
  19. Anish Ashokan

    Anish Ashokan Active Member

    Thank you. Actually I've seen that effect before it's is a remarkable effect for what it can do but still acts like a normal eq in which the frequencies are fixed, it is nice that you can set up four fixed eq curves but i need a more natural gain reduction that follows exactly what i'm doing with the pitch changes.
     
  20. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I came up empty. Just more compounding ways to sort of get this done.

    Anish, you may need to share what you are wanting this for but I get the feeling you are designing something around this concept so its not something you want to share, publicly.

    What you need is based around side-chaining upwards or downwards ducking with an auto-tuning, freq tracing device that will trace and duck the frequencies in real time. It doesn't sound like something that can be done in "one step". But, I'm sure there is a way. Digital audio can get this done. The question is, what are you doing it for and then finding a coder to get it coded.

    You might need to approach a coder with a confidentiality agreement.
     

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