Power Speakers? PA Systems? HAAALP!!!

Discussion in 'Location Recording' started by FreakapotaROB, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. FreakapotaROB

    FreakapotaROB Active Member

    Hey there, community.

    Tomorrow I'll (hopefully) be making my first big ticket purchase in terms of music/audio equipment.

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    It's a Yorkville Sound - YX15P 200 Watt 15+1-inch Powered PA Speaker.
    Okay, everything's bolded all of a sudden. I'll get used to this forum soon enough.
    Anyways, back to topic.

    This speaker that I'm purchasing is meant for a garage space, type area, mainly used for vocals.
    My question to you guys is to see whether or not this purchase is worth it, and if it is not, then what might be recommended, instead?

    Thanks a lot!
     
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    I'm not sure why you are posting this now, when it seems you have made your mind up as to what you should buy. You are planning on getting a pair of powered speakers and not just a single, aren't you? What type of band are they to be used with?

    These XY15Ps are PA speakers with enough power for small venues. I hope are you talking about using them for rehearsal/performance and not for mixing.
     
  3. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Most of the "club" caliber speakers are going to pretty much be the same sonically... yeah, there are subtle differences across the board, but nothing that can't be matched with a working knowledge of EQ and gain structure.

    The important thing to look at in this case is durability. These are club/gig speakers... so they're going to be moved around... a lot... bumping around in the back of a car or truck, along with all the other unforeseeable things that can happen at a live club gig... "sorry dude, I didn't mean to spill beer all over your speaker, honest, I was aiming for my friend's face!"

    You want to check the reliability record of whatever model you choose.... factory recall histories, inherent problems....

    For example, some years ago, JBL released a PA speaker with two 15's and a horn that sounded great... right up until the time that the internal crossover component fried - and did so in about 40% of the models released. Yeah, JBL gladly fixed the problem - and for no charge - but that doesn't help you at the gig, does it?

    The other thing to consider is weight. Trust me on this, no matter what those puppies weigh on a scale, they will always feel heavier at load out than they will at load in. ;)

    fwiw

    -d.
     
  4. FreakapotaROB

    FreakapotaROB Active Member

    I'm actually planning on getting powered speakers for rehearsal ONLY (for now). From what I've gathered these should be good for rehearsal, but as for going into a live gig our band will need more powerful and abundant speakers (unless the venue supplies otherwise).

    I've made up my mind with the knowledge that I gained about this stuff. If someone were to recommend me another cheaper/better/what have you alternative then I would be open minded about it and weigh out my new set of options and rethink about my upcoming purchase.

    As for rehearsal space and rehearsal space only, this Yorkville Speaker should do the job from I've gathered. No?
     
  5. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    Why a 15" speaker for vocals in a garage? I like 12" or even 10" wedges for smaller shows where they mostly handle vocals. I even use 12" mains (with subs) for my PA system that can easily cover 200-300 people with 100dB SPL (A, slow). I use my 15" wedges for bass players, drummers and maybe keyboardists. 15" mains are good for smaller shows when you go without subs, but they're overkill for just vocals.

    I recommend using it as a wedge, on the floor aimed up into the null of your vocal mic. What does the band consist of? How do you position yourselves at rehearsal? One monitor may not be enough.
     
  6. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Depends on how loud you plan on rehearsing, depends on what you are mixing through and how much EQ control you have on that mixer.

    At moderate volumes it should be fine for carrying vocals and keys.

    I wouldn't be miking any drums or cranking a bass guitar through it though.

    just my opinion of course...

    -d.
     
  7. FreakapotaROB

    FreakapotaROB Active Member

    Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know a lot of the terms that you threw at me, but from what I understand that's pretty much what I'm doing. I'm just using one speaker for a microphone, and the rest of the band are using their own bass/guitar amps. That's it for the rehearsal space.

    Not intending on cranking the guitar and bass through it!
     
  8. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Boulder was explaining the different options you have in terms of live PA.


    For what you are doing rehearsal-wise, you should be fine with your choice.
     
  9. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    I was explaining that a 15" monitor is overkill for rehearsal space vocals by offering some context. OP would be better off with something smaller. I was also suggesting he use it on the floor like a stage monitor rather than on a stand like a main speaker, so that when the OP does a gig he will already be used to what he's going to get.
     
  10. FreakapotaROB

    FreakapotaROB Active Member

    Oh, okay. I understand what you're saying now. I mean, I rented speakers before and used them like you recommend, and I do foresee myself using them that way as well - using it as a stage monitor and all.

    Though, the reason why I'm getting, I guess, a "big" speaker, is so that, eventually, I can get a second one, and eventually set up a p.a system for the band, with mix boards/EQ and all that Jazz. Eventually.

    Thank you so much for the advice, however. Within this thread I already learned a lot more than I expected, and I appreciate every one's help here in this thread. So, in the wise words of all religious monikers "BLESS THY SOULS"
     
  11. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    At which point you're going to need monitors as well anyway, so why not get a monitor now and get used to it, then get mains and more monitors later?
     
  12. FreakapotaROB

    FreakapotaROB Active Member

    By monitor do you mean just using it as a speaker with a mic plugged into it? Right now my sole intention is to just have a speaker for my mic so I don't have to share a bass amp or guitar amp and get shitty, grainy vocal quality out of it.
     
  13. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    For now it can be just the speaker with a mic plugged into it. Lots of powered speakers have a selection of inputs that can handle anything from a microphone to a line level feed from a mixer. Use the mic input until you get a mixer, then you can add other stuff to your mix if needed. Then add mains and another monitor or two for gigging.
     
  14. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    What is being suggested here is that you purchase a smaller powered monitor. The smaller monitors are what is used for onstage monitors and not to Publicly Address the House with. Those are the bigger ones such as that 15 inch unit. And multiple units are needed the larger the venue. A pair is fine for a small club/bar, backyard parties and such. You would need a dozen of those big suckers on either side for a larger venue. And that's where the PA company comes in.

    So you should use a smaller powered monitor facing you and the band. They will not have the low-frequency feedback potential that does nothing for you that you get from a 15 inch speaker. So look for powered monitors that are smaller than 15 inch woofers. In fact some powered monitors are small enough to fit on a microphone stand and be placed right next to your ear. Other folks are using IEM or, in ear monitors. Which are special custom fitted to your ears by a doctor. So why bother with monitors at all when you could do it with a pair of headphones LOL? Oh you want to band to hear you too? Well then a small powered monitor with a 6-8 and at the most 10 inch speaker for the woofer. It is much more appropriate. And what you'll be using onstage when there is a larger PA system at a nightclub or whatever. Just know if you get that 15 inch thing and you think you're going to use it as a monitor (I just chuckled) it's going to go woofer woofer. Then you have to give it a biscuit and then it will crap on stage LOL. Hopefully it won't lift his leg on any guitar amplifiers or microphone stands?

    I use my kitty speakers in my RV. 4 inches loud enough for the bedroom.
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     

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