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Praise for the real thing

Discussion in 'Studio Lounge' started by pcrecord, Sep 28, 2016.

  1. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    Do you get bored with all the gizmo they put out these days ?
    Please give me a real thing not this :

  2. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Being a guitar player, nothing beats the real thing. However, at least he's playing and doing it pretty well. I was expecting the continued injustice of stealing and looping parts of songs from real musicians.

    I suspect we're going to see a lot more sample controllers evolving. Roger Linn has a new one out too. Its pretty cool but again, the best reason about Rock and Roll was the guys playing their instruments and singing live.

    To date, there has never been a better replacement for real musicians playing rhythm guitars.
  3. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I know, that controler seems pretty nice.. I've seen it used for oriental music with 1/4 tone scales.. it was nice.
    But electric guitar on a keyboard is kind of ... unatural to me ;)

    So many bands have been replaced with cheap karaoke dude around town.. I just miss the real thing..
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  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Same here.
    I toured 18 years. I lived out of a suitcases the entire time traveling around North America, guitar in hand. :love:.
    When the DJ thing started dominating clubs, I packed my performing years in, started RO and a recording studio.
    ITB is killing us. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. And so I continue... trying to keep up with all this virtual integration and the dream that I will someday hear a pop song that actually inspires me enough to want to start jamming again lol.
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  5. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    We watch these sampler demonstration all the time, yet, where are these people who buy these gizmo's actually playing?
    I don't know about the rest of the world but I've never seen one band making a living with one of these around here to date.
    And all the pop music I hear on the radio has zero soloing.

    I love the Blues most today. Real players that are removed from all of this. (Aside from my real job today, because I cannot earn a living as a musician anymore )I work and continue in the virtual music world by day, but live the Blues in my personal life.

    We could start a new forum, or include this in our forum description.
    "Lean how to BS your way through this business, lol" (y)

    I've been able to do this since I bought Pro Tools in 1998. I tried to tell the old school guys back then that Pro Tools was going to take over this industry and you better prepare for it. $*^t, I was into Techno from 1979 on. Saw it all going down and refused to become dated and broke. So I started RO and tried to share it all with the world.

    @Kurt Foster and I had quite a time with that one. Old school meets new generation and all in between.
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  6. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I saw electronic drums on a few gigs. It's a specially good choice in restaurants where you don't want to blast any sadistic aunt ! ;)

    Radio pop songs got to the pace of the youngsters who need continuous stimulation 24/7..
    Did you ever turned to a child TV show recently? One new toon show started to air not long ago.. It's made by humorists I used to listen on the radio so I gave it a try.. MAN I almost burned in flame. No storyline just short spots, running around without any presentations. Every 20 seconds you get a new decor and characters who blast away some information before it changes to the next one..
    At least we had some story when Goldorack and Captain harlock were on !
  7. DogsoverLava

    DogsoverLava Active Member

    This guy looks like he sells fake Rolex's on street corners then whispers "You want girls?"under his breath. What I wanted was Jimi. I only say this to acknowledge how huckstery all product demos like this look like and feel. As a controller all the touch bending was pretty sweet but I would have liked to see or hear him cut loose on Chameleon with this - something really genre specific. Let us guitar players have out thing -- particularly our Jimi - he's ours. Not since the advent of the Keytar has there been such a sustained assault on the territory of cool once reserved for guitar players. If your keyboard can be rolled up and used as a yoga mat we got a problem.

    Pretty sweet though -- but I'm off sugar.
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  8. Sean G

    Sean G Well-Known Member

    The Seaboard RISE featured in a thread I posted on polychromatic music a little while ago.


    I'm not sure about emulating Hendrix with one...but I think it may be a glimpse of things to come.

    I like the way you can simply slide across from one key to the next...as well as bending the note by sliding up and down the key and the vibrato effect you can achieve...makes it a little unique in that sense.
  9. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I have no doubt that the controler has great feature and quality. I just prefer hearing and seeing the real thing.
    Could you imagine Angus Young with one of those things on stage ?? ;)
  10. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    It might be an awesome controller... personally though, can't stand the feel. And, if I want guitar, I'll grab a guitar!!!!.
  11. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    I think this guy in the video was setting himself up for a lot of criticism from the moment he decided to use a Hendrix song.
    It's not really any different than someone choosing a Yo-Yo Ma piece to demonstrate a cello sample.
    The purists among us, those who respect those musicians for their talent, skill and sound, will never really be happy listening to something like this.

    But, while you may not like the sound of the sample(s) he is using, at least he can play.

    It's not like he's one of those "musicians", who'll buy a new synth with loops and chords and "songs" built-in, and then simply hit and hold down one or two keys, and then call it an "original composition".
    Most of those people aren't even able to identify Middle C, let alone actually create something of their own from scratch.

    I had a client once, who "wrote" an entire album's worth of "songs" - that were nothing more than preset, pre-programmed parts that came stock as part of the synth's sound /patch library.
    The guy was tone deaf, actually, and had no idea of how to play... even a simple G Maj triad was beyond his scope.
    He'd merely hit certain notes/keys - always single notes - that would play loops and pre-programmed ensemble performances.

    And, full disclosure... yeah, I recorded him, I took his money...after all, I was running a business, and had bills to pay.
    But there was zero creative input from me ( and none from him, either, for that matter ... as he was incapable of providing any). I was merely a button-pushing, knob-twisting, mix-monkey on that particular "project".

    None of this is the fault of the technology though. Technology is there for us to use - or not use - as we see fit. What we do with it is entirely up to us. ;)

    IMHO of course,
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  12. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    i say anyone who plays keys, who plays anything other than a hammond (or pseudo clones) or piano should get their fingers crushed. i mean it. i hate this sh*t. it's not Rock & Roll.
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  13. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Wow... That's pretty harsh, Kurt.
    Why just piano and B3? Does that punishment also apply to guys/girls who play Rhodes, or Wurli's, or Clavs? How about Pipe Organs? Or Harpsichords?

    Following your train of thought, you feel as though all keyboard instruments other than Pianos and B3's are "invalid" as instruments?
    And that cats like like Keith Emerson, Tony Banks or Stevie Wonder, should have their "fingers crushed" because of their choices to perhaps play a Moog or Mellotron, an Oberheim or Prophet, or a Synclavier ? ...

    Just curious, seeking a little "clarification" ...
  14. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    ok i was over the top a bit. lol .... but the sentiment remains. i just hate all this virtual sh*t. i think it's ruining music. you're correct moogs are cool but i remain anti synth in essence. anything that's an emulation sucks imo. just an opinion, not a fact. so everyone can chill. i'm not trying to start a flame war here. :ROFLMAO:
  15. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    I didn't think you were trying to start a flame war ... it's all good...we're just talking. :)

    I can appreciate the love of the real thing.
    I guess my thought is that there are many synth sounds that aren't meant to "emulate" anything in particular, and that are of their own sound and origin.

    IMHO of course. ;)
  16. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    and that's why i said "emulate" ..... and it's not like i am guilt free myself.

    i've used drum machines when i had to and i had a Kurzweil and a Proteus i used for bells and strings, stuff that was on 60's records. the goal was to be able to make records like Phil ..... those kinds of sounds but, if i had the opportunity to hire a real player to play a real instrument i would opt for that. i don't think any of it really sounds real. it's like a gmo tomato or a "chicken" nugget .... close but no cigar.
  17. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    I guess doing it alone in the studio with very good samples (if convincing) doesn't disturb me much..
    But LIVE ??
  18. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    I find I favor music made with things that get their sound from actual physical oscillation. There's natural variation that something with only 128 different possible sounds per note, only a small range of which is likely to be used in a song, can never reproduce. Secondly, the acoustic interaction between a guitar and an amp in a room adds another level of complexity that digitally synthesized and sampled audio sources can't emulate, at least for now. Analog synths get a pass because they have that inherent unpredictability. You can never get the exact sound twice.
  19. Makzimia

    Makzimia Active Member

    And of course the average modern listener on earbuds can hear the difference live or otherwise.. :sneaky:
  20. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    and so? ..... it matters not to me what the "average listener" can hear or wants. imo the average listener is a thing of the past. no ones getting rich or even making a decent living at this any more for the most part, so what's the point? it's only art now so why not please ourselves and say " screw the average listener"?

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