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Discussion in 'Fix This MIX!' started by audiokid, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Affordable recording has created severe dilutions of grandeur along with a bunch of pussies that will never put their work on the chopping block, GS is a great example.
    RO is better than this.

    Should we turn the Track Talk ( for starters) into a private forum, one that the only way others can participate is if they share their work. No acceptations.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    would i be excluded? i haven't posted any songs that i have done except stuff that is way old.
     
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    No, you are a leader if anything. And a leader in old school as well. A valued asset. You have given me an example which btw, is a wonderful track that
    I would be proud of.

    What do you think? Thoughts, ideas? Good idea, bad ideal??
     
  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    In fact, your business had a direct impact from affordable recording. I think we need to gather a group who isn't afraid to stand up and share our work, examples etc, so we know the sound each of us is going for. Then, we can all better help each other.
    Those are the people I want to spend time with as I get closer to my death lol. Thats it in a nut shell.
     
  5. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    i wouldn't want to be the one to say. i generally don't like exclusion ... i lean toward letting peoples work (or lack of) speak for itself. maybe a "credibility" points system based on how much material has been posted? for example, a person who hasn't posted examples would have a 0 credibility rating.
     
  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Ya, but then we have to listen to the 58 year old broadcaster who puts compression on every track. They turn every good thread into self serving dribble and we never learn a thing. All it takes is one post to change the direction of thought back to stupid. I don't think I can take it any longer. I need examples of what people are pushing. Plain and simple. This free speech thing is BS.
     
  7. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    We could keep it public but you can't post in that forum until you have been confirmed. How can anyone moderate a forum if we don't know what the posters is claiming. Reference!
    I want to know what people sound like here. To many critics, not enough examples. We need to change this, or add this to the list. To me, its another level of Pro.

    My guess is, there will be very few who like this idea. I hope I'm wrong.
     
  8. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    i get why you want to do this. how about no one can reply to a thread unless they have submitted something themselves? that way all someone has to do is post a mix. it's up to them if they want to participate or not.
     
  9. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    We all need or can benefit from references when creating, mixing or mastering.

    As an example, Before I a start a mix, I request a scratch mix from the client. That way I know what I'm shooting for.

    Another example, I get single artists that need background music. I will ask them for examples of what they are shooting for.

    Now lets put this in perspective for everyone reading this. Lets create a fictitious user. He comes here looking for help on a mix. He post work of electronic music ( thats all he has to write with) He is green but full of inspiration, but very vulnerable and easily destroyed by the wrong response. He doesn't know who is who. He is thinking you know what he needs and trusts what you say.

    Having a reference that users can listen to, before trusting would be the best thing we could do for anyone. I was young once and was severely effected by someone I trusted, I later discovered they were clueless but it was too late. I'm looking out for those who who can't distinguish the wrong engineer.
     
  10. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    The first problem with that is that it would exclude people like yourself, who don't post samples, yet, because of past experience and knowledge, have much to teach. By the same token, you have some members who will post anything - a couple repeating synth lines, or loops that do nothing more than increase in tempo, or who hold down a multi-note sample on a keyboard - and call it a "song". I call it "fun with a sequencer". It hasn't taken any kind of real talent, or formal or serious application to the craft, there isn't much to mix, because there wasn't much involved to begin with... no mics, no amps, etc.

    Some simply want to post as much as possible to show "how many pushups" they can do.
    And to have a high post count number reflect a "credibility rating"... because they post so much, they would have a high rating of "credibility", that to me, would be undeserved.

    And that's where we run into the problem, because that's where one man's opinion determines the validity of the art. And... well... as much as I don't like the kind of stuff I just referenced, I can't bring myself to be exclusionary about it either. One man's garbage is another man's masterpiece, and who am I to say which is which?

    The only other way I can think of would be to have a panel of experienced engineers, musicians and producers oversee things, but, we kind of have that in place now.

    I'm not saying that there isn't a way to do this. I'm just saying it needs to be done in a way that allows everyone who is serious to participate. And I don't know how you can rate or judge "serious".

    I suppose that letting the work speak for itself is the best way to determine "credibility".

    Just thinking out loud...
     
  11. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    This is a difficult area to get the balance right. Like Kurt, I am usually constrained by copyright/confidentiality/other legal reasons for not posting even snippets of mixes.

    You need something that encourages those who have a genuine point to illustrate but would discourage the mixers who think that RO is great place to post a synth-and-samples mash-up. Not to mention those who must get points for every track they deposit on the web like a dog visiting lamp posts.
     
  12. philter1

    philter1 Active Member

    Personally, I'd be for it. I'm trying to mix a rock album of my own work at the moment and it's a bit of a struggle for me. Getting it done pro will be very costly so that option is way down the list. I'm not even sure I'm doing the thing correctly to begin with so it's a series of stops and starts just now. Very frustrating. I'd be a guinea pig if you need one...
    Cheers
    Phil
     
  13. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Start with a Soundcloud account, if you don't have one already. This will allow people to hear your work.

    And, you may also want to look into a DropBox account as well. If you decide at some point to send tracks to other engineers for critique or treatment, this will allow you to send those files in a higher quality format (wav) as opposed to the MP3 format that Soundcloud uses.

    Both SC and DB are free.

    SoundCloud

    DropBox

    When posting your work, try to be somewhat detailed about the gear and method(s) you used -at least mention mics, pre's, your room's acoustics, etc. as well as the process you used in terms of EQ or Gain Reduction (where you used it, how you used it, hardware or software based, etc.)

    Being specific with your questions is also very helpful to those who are listening and trying to help.

    FWIW
    d/
     
  14. philter1

    philter1 Active Member

    Thanks Donny. Where are we posting these at RO? Track Talk? Or Private?
     
  15. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    There is no "private" forum as of yet - that I know of - this is what we are discussing at this time. You can post in Track Talk until Chris decides on how best to set up the new section.
     
  16. pcrecord

    pcrecord Don't you want the best recording like I do ? Well-Known Member

    audiokid, you could start with a minimum of posts before you can post in that section. That way, you would eliminate people who drop stuff and never return.
    Exemple : you need to participate to others threads or your own with 10 or 15 posts before being able to post a song.

    Just a thought !
     

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