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Pro Tools 11 Has Been Announced.

Discussion in 'Pro Tools' started by hueseph, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Yes. It's finally here and it looks as though they've finally made some serious steps toward entering the 21st century.

    Offline bounce.

    Track freeze(sort of)

    New metering.

    No more DAE. It's AAE now. Avid Audio Engine.

    A full on 64 bit engine built from the ground up. It's about time.

    I'm not hip on all the details yet. Pro Tools Expert group made the announcement earlier today and Avid have a web cast Monday evening. I'll see what I can gather.
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    awww crap ... i had just saved up enough to get PT 10.

    now i have to start saving all over again for PT 11 ... good news; i can take the GF on a nice evening out with the money i saved up for PT10. diddlydoo
     
  3. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    For now all I can say is that I should've bought that 100 shares or Avid while it was cheap. I could sell it in a week for 10x the value. Who knows how long that wave will last? I would ride it for a week anyway.
     
  4. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Reminds me of a song I used to cover, Your Just a 3 Dressed Up as a 9.

     
  5. mberry593

    mberry593 Active Member

    17 metering options including k system......GOOD! This has been way overdue. That's good news BUT I'm not interested until Antares does AAX.
     
  6. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Did anyone else watch the webcast? As much as this is a huge upgrade to Pro Tools, I'm still incredibly disappointed. Yay! they have input and output buffers now! That's not a new feature. Yay! Offline bounce! Nothing new. "intelligent" cpu core usage. LOL. This is new? Ah! Thanks for catching up Pro Tools! We can see you in the rear view now. We thought we lost you!

    I feel sorry for so many of the people on chat who were asking about upgrades for their recent purchases. I mean, one guy had just bought an HDX system with Pro Tools 10 two weeks ago? Is there any lee way for him? No. You have to have purchased PT 10 at the earliest, yesterday. Give the poor guy a break! In fact, anyone who has upgraded in the past three months should be given a break for crying out loud!

    I think I'm done with the software end of this. It's a nowhere investment. If I'm going to spend $10000+ on an HDX system, I'd rather spend it on some nice outboard gear. (So many reasons why this is true)

    There's rumour out there that they are releasing PT11 in a rush because they are in dire financial straits. We will see. It should be an interesting few months.
     
  7. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Now you are making sense. And i like your "Hue Spew" BTW!
    Thing is, even if they build it, will it actually work anyway. I doubt it. Its over.
     
  8. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    me too ... have been for quite some time now ... if i do anything i will fly with StudioOne Free as a glorified multitrack and mix though my crappy assed schmakie sr24 using what outboard i have left. i'm on the look out for a decent smallish large format multi track RTR ... maybe 8 - 16 tracks ... that's all i need really. i can do full fledged productions on 8 tracks .. and in some ways imo it sounds better than having more tracks. the only issue is new tape is way expensive ... so i may just stick with a DAW for a recorder and go the traditional route for mixing and processing ..

    i always thought the sessions i did with ADATs and the MCI sounded way better than anything i have done itb.
     
  9. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    The best recordings I've ever done were on analog tape. Whether it was through an SSL or a cheap Soundcraft. Even the stuff we worked on digital tape paled in comparison. I have never been able to meet that quality in the Digital realm. I know that a good portion of that is my skills but why should I have to work so hard to get a sound that came so easily on less "advanced" gear.
     
  10. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Well, they finally introduced it. About time. I have had PT10 for a while, so it looks like $300 to upgrade. I've been planning to do that, even though I now regard Studio One as my primary DAW. I'll definitely take my time. The bug shakeout will be interesting.

    It's been obvious for some time that the PT code is a big hairball that has made it difficult for them to catch up to minor competitive disadvantages. It's nice to hear that PT11 was written from "the ground up," but we've heard that before. (Redmond, pick up the white courtesy phone.) One of my first lessons in the practicalities of computing was when my wife was working at NASA'a Goddard center in the early `80's. They were still running big decks of FORTRAN punch cards for the satellite tracking programs. They were outdated, but they knew where the satellites were. It's hard as hell for a business to ditch working software - especially after it has grown and metastasized over the years.
     
  11. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Again there has been a backlash since Complete Production Tool Kit 2 is no longer supported. Users who want to maintain functionality and upgrade to PT11 must buy into PTHD11 @ $999 sans hardware. This is for PT10 users. I don't know what the case is for PT 9 + CPTK2 users. $999 equal to PTHD9 to 11 upgrade cost. Some very unhappy users out there. Avid's short sightedness is astonishing.
     
  12. mberry593

    mberry593 Active Member

    +1

    I almost went the CPTK route at one time.....I'm so glad now that I didn't.
     
  13. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    Yup. Definitely a case of "you should buy this car.. it has tires and a steering wheel and brakes!"

    I gave up on PT years ago when they were still very cludgy with their midi implementation - (I switched to Sonar) - I knew guys who used PT in those days and still had to use a separate program (Performer, I think) in addition to PT, just to do the midi end of production.

    I've also known quite a few guys since then who have PT and they seem to be very happy with the overall platform these days, but, not very happy about the way that Avid treats their customers.

    There are plenty of good deals out there these days, Kurt...

    Here's a deck I owned (I still own it, actually, but it needs a lot of work) that I absolutely loved - a great sounding workhorse, Tascam 48 1/2", 15ips, balanced ins and outs... I did hundreds of projects on this deck and loved it. I wish I could afford to buy this one, I have so many tapes with so many projects I'd love to remix:

    Tascam 48 OB 8 Channel Reel to Reel Recorder Vintage RARE | eBay

    fwiw
    -d
     
  14. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    i'm thinking a 1" 8 or 16 ... prob an OTARI. seems like they have the fewest problems ... real workhorses. but then i have to think about a mixer / console ... it's a mess. prob stick with dudgitul ...yippie!
     
  15. DonnyThompson

    DonnyThompson Distinguished Member

    I've seen MS 16's - 1 " format, 30 ips, going for as little as $900, in working order. Nice machines. I cut more than a few tracks on that deck... in fact, several you've already heard through my soundcloud page.

    The problem with any older tape deck, as you well know, is:

    1. tape head(s) and
    2. motor(s)

    Those are generally the first things that need servicing or replaced in most any older deck. Not that you still can't find those parts, because most are readily available... but it's a cost you need to figure into the equation on top of the purchase price when looking at older decks.

    I have no idea what 1" 456/499 is going for these days... it used to be around $90 bucks or so for a reel of 1"/ 2500'... which, at 15ips, gives you around 33 minutes of tape, give or take a minute.

    -d.
     
  16. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I remember buying 2" 456 for $75.(no. I'm hallucinating. That was digital 1") I would like to use tape simply as an effect going from console to tape and directly into my DAW. A one time pass through.
     
  17. blaumph2cool

    blaumph2cool Active Member

    Gotta love craigslist.

    Otari MX70 tape machine w/ parts machine & MRL! - $2000

    5 reels of AMPEX 2 inch Reel to Reel Tape - $200

    2" AGFA Reel to Reel Tapes - $40
     
  18. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    yeah those mx70's are kind of what i have been looking for. new pinch roller from my old tech , Michael Gore @ Analog Rules!


    pretty cool, the two of them there , side by side ...... now what to do for a mixer ..
     
  19. mberry593

    mberry593 Active Member

    Back to PT 11.........

    Danger, this post includes yet another of my rants!

    I just listened to this week's PTE podcast. It includes an interview at NAB with Chris Gahagen from Avid. If I got this right, the new metering includes neither R128 nor ATSC 85!!!!!!!!! I don't care because I bought the Waves WLM last year but what were they thinking? 17 metering options but not the two most important on the planet?!?!?!? These people are totally out of touch with reality.

    btw, this reminds me that the first plug-in that I ever bought was the PPM-ulator.

    zplane -- PPMulator
    I used it extensively until recently. But why does Avid give you all of the extras like the Air instruments but not the basics that you really need?

    Yes, and finally with PT11 you get BBC PPM metering....just when it is almost too late.

    In all fairness, I understand that still more metering options may yet be included before the actual release.
     
  20. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Thought I would share this. It's good for a chuckle. Guffaw even.

     

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