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pro tools is in the dark ages

Discussion in 'Pro Tools' started by tapupartforpres, Aug 25, 2009.

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  1. Hello. New to forum.

    I have an mBox 2 pro with Pro Tools. Was hoping for some advice. I have a Mac laptop OS 10.5, that I could never seem to get to work right. I downloaded free updates and all. To be honest I have had nothing but problems with Pro Tools.

    So I am in the market for a new Windows machine, but from what I am reading, Pro Tools and the MBox are not compatable with Vista, let alone Windows 7 (coming out Oct 23).

    So to be honest I am thinking of scrapping the MBox and selling it and starting over to be able to harness a 64 bit machine (it's not a huge deal to use 32 bit if it works). I am not going to buy a new computer and just use XP on it, there will be other functions for it. That is BS to be honest. Is there anyone out there that can give me some advice on:

    a) should I stick with the Mbox and try again with the install on OSX 10.5?
    b) go with another recording software like Cubase and an MBox like device (any ideas)? Not sure what is out there.

    I prefer to go with another recording package, pro tools is in the dark ages. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    PT is completely compatible with Vista or Win7. The recommended versions (read only supported versions) are Business and Ultimate. Unlike most, I don't mind Vista Ult but if you get your choice it should be Win 7 Ult. On the other hand unless you don't care for the Mac OS user interface (yes there are people out there that don't like it despite the commercials and hype) there is no reason to change to windows.

    There isn't anything wrong with the MBox as long as one accepts it for what it is. As to having it play nice with OS 10.* or Windows, the basic problems are going to be the same. Indeed, whatever interface one chooses the setup and routing is very similar.

    If you don't like the PT workflow then there are lots of other DAWs out there. Mackie Tracktion is the most intuitive while Logic, Cubase, or Audition are the most similar in capabilities to PT just with different implementation. Reaper would be another DAW worth taking a look at.

    Whatever DAW is ultimately chosen, it will be too complex to learn it without really diving into the help files off and online and also specific user forums + lots of experimentation on home projects. This can be either loads of fun or dreck depending on how one approaches it. Regardless, it is necessary.
  3. A little more guidance

    I am getting a new computer anyways for other usage. Windows 7 looks promising.

    I like Pro Tools and don't want to change, but the issues, ugggg.

    So you are saying that PT is compatiable with Vista or Win7, only if it is Business or Ultimate editions? I had this originally working on an XP machine, but the buffer couldn't keep up (I think I am saying that correctly). I was able to get it working on my MacBook, but after some updates, it stopped. So I want to switch back to using PT on Windows (plus my MacBook has only 800 FSB and 5400 RPM HD). Just want something beefier.

    So I am buying a new computer for sure.

    You are saying that if I buy a quad core, with Windows 7 business edition (Vista business edition now, then the upgrade will come), everything should work fine with PT and Mbox?

    Thanks man, I appreciate it.
  4. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Less problems with Win7 than Vista but yes, it will work fine.

    The sample buffer rate is adjustable on the MBox-usually from within the DAW which is controlling the ASIO drive (win) or the Core Audio (mac). If the buffer is too low it can cause problems, and conversely if the buffer is too high it causes problems with some machines. This range will be computer specific and not interface specific.
  5. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Re: A little more guidance

    The clue to your problems may be here: a 5400rpm drive as both the OS and the audio drive. Any DAW software is going to struggle with that. It's worth borrowing an external FireWire 7200rpm drive to try as your PT audio drive before you abandon the MacBook. You presumably have the vintage of MacBook that was blessed with a FireWire port?
  6. Re: A little more guidance

    Thanks for the reply. I have a White Intel Dual 2.16GHZ Macbook with 4GB of RAM. That is a good idea. I have an external firewire drive I can try. It's also a USB 2.0, which is a tad faster.

    Should I install PT on it and have everything point to that drive (buffer and everything)? Any suggestions. Thanks
  7. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    PT will be on the internal Mac drive. You need to set the audio destination drive to the firewire or usb2 drive. This will be true even if you get a pc. A good safe buffer for that setup ought to be around 1024 samples as a starting point.

    I apparently missed the whole 5400rpm thing at first glance.

    [addendum] Not all external drives are 7200RPM either which puts you back in the bottleneck you were in originally.
  8. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    "I have an external firewire drive I can try. It's also a USB 2.0, which is a tad faster."

    It's either USB 2.0, or Firewire. It might even be eSata. Unless for some reason it has both, but why would you want to use both? That's like putting one of your kids on a bus and then driving the car behind it until you get to the same place.

    USB 2 is slower than Firewire, in the same way that a plane is slower than a car if you want to go to the store.
    But if your car is busy driving audio data around, get a plane.

    Also, I see no issue with the 800MHz FSB in your macbook, other than the fact it's a laptop and will generally lack the muscle of a full-blown desktop if you want to really push the performance barriers.
  9. Fail with the glasses chochie. You really think I would use them at the same time? LOL. USB 2.0 has a faster max speed than FW 400, but FW is capable of reaching 400mbps and sustaining it, where as USB 2.0 speed will go up and down. It never hurts to have a external that has the capability to do both though. OWNED.

    If you have any constructive to say let me know.

  10. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    I (and several others, probably) would prefer you not to make false statements like "USB 2 is faster than FW" especially if you know why this isn't true.

    And back to your earlier posts... if you're set on buying a new PC, I would advise you use neither USB or Firewire, but actually get a SATA drive or two. But a smart guy like you knew that, right?
  11. Thank you for your constructive input. I appreciate it.

    I think I am going to stick with the MacBook. Now that I am home I can see that my drive is firewire.

    Codemonkey, should I load the system software and save files to the drive I have. What is your experience? Thanks!
  12. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    LOVE the mousetrap Mr.Monkey. I actually have a cat that might think up something like that..........

    Hi there Mr. new-to-the-forums. You have to be careful around Monkey, Jack and the Bos....you might put out yer eye on their pencils.....
  13. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    I actually dunno how to respond now. Yeesh...

    So far I have posted (what I think is) technically accurate information but which you (OP) have found needless. Except for my statement which pointed out a flaw in your assertion that USB 2.0 is faster than FW. Since we both seem to be in agreement that USB is in fact less reliable when transferring streams of real-time data I see no problem other than red mist.

    "Codemonkey, should I load the system software and save files to the drive I have."
    I think you should install Windows 95 (the one without a USB driver; clearly you don't need it).
    And obviously you save to the drive you have. You can't write data to a drive you don't have!
  14. Like I said, when you got something constructive to say let me know.
  15. Thanks Dave. I appreciate your feedback. I am here for help not get into pissing matches with children. I wonder if Monkey actually has a job? For me, this is a hobby. I seems I must own 3-D glasses to know "what's going on". Little does he know, I could buy his home town. OWNED, literally.
  16. Because you are a sociopath. Grow up and answer the question boy.
  17. dave_p

    dave_p Active Member

    edited for... well it wasnt too nice.

    anyway look hamslap, i dont give a crap what you can buy. i will say this , you cant buy repect. why are you attacking one of the dudes in here with the best attitude and an eagerness to help?
  18. You found his post helpful? Eagerness? That was an attack my friend.
  19. Codemonkey

    Codemonkey Well-Known Member

    What precisely do you find objectionable?
  20. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Well, believe it or not, Mr. Monkey is quite skilled at what he does. He's Scottish so understand that some things you think may be a lark are serious to him and other things you may think of as underhanded are ,to him, quite a poke in the ribs and not intended for angry banter.

    Its all about being here a while before you pick your enemies and friends.

    As an adiministrator I say welcome, but understand that we always keep semi true facts to minimum around here simply because we have so many young folks that read these pages.

    I'm glad you're wealthy enough to own a Scottish burg....but its callous to indicate that this makes you any more expert about your posts.

    Mr. Monkey is good guy and really does know the 'puter stuff. You should listen with an ear to the wiser.

    And dont be looking to pick a fight where its not given.

    I still think the cat thing is hilarious.
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