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Pro tools worth it?

Discussion in 'Pro Tools' started by rockdude, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. rockdude

    rockdude Active Member

    im going to get a new Mbox audio interface that comes with pro tools soon, but i have never used pro tools before what exactly makes it worth using over lets say the free audacity? Is it worth getting?
  2. Greener

    Greener Guest

    This depends on the value of "it".
    For any given "it" the worth or value of something in comparison to "it" can be derived a number of ways, depending on the school of economics you subscribe to.
    I personally tend to agree with Adam Smith.

    “a thing has value only when and if it serves some direct human use or can be exchanged for something else that has value.” (Adam Smith)

    What do you want to do? Then we can discuss value.
  3. rockdude

    rockdude Active Member

    i want to record music in the best quality and have lots of effects to apply in short would i find it worth the money if i like what audacity can do, can it do more better? I dont know about pro tools never used it
  4. StephenMC

    StephenMC Member

    Mr. Marx talked about use and exchange value as well in his incredibly drab Capitalism. Read it, love it, burn it as the understanding that your patriotism is for a corrupt system of economics based on exploitation and alienation festers inside of your slow-beating heart.

    Aside, Pro Tools is the industry standard. It's a DAW. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_audio_workstation. Audacity can hardly be defined as such, more of a waveform editor and recorder.
  5. Greener

    Greener Guest

    Woah, Nelly. :p
    Just want to say that the slower an animals heart beats the longer it lives.
    Also, ripped this from the same place I got the quote. :)

    One guy typed;
    "“The natural world has no intrinsic value or value irrespective of its usefulness to humans; rather, “a thing has value only when and if it serves some direct human use or can be exchanged for something else that has value.” (Adam Smith)”"

    Then another guy typed;
    "‘I think you are confusing Adam Smith’s statements about exchange value (the ratio by which something exchanges for another) with something that may have a value (aesthetic, utility, beauty, symmetry, elegance, or whatever) in itself.

    Adam Smith was a moral philospher. His other book, The Theory of Moral Sentiments (1759) would correct your impression of his ideas, which are not often represented well by vulgar modern interpretations by those who write about today’."

    Which is funny. To me at least.
  6. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    PT (and all of the other commercial DAW programs) can do a lot more than Audacity. But they don't do the things that Audacity does much better than Audacity. So, as Greener says, it all depends on which features you want.

    However, since you will be getting PT with your interface you should take advantage to the one big advantage that PT has over other software - the amount of support available. There are all kinds of tutorials, DVDs, and books available to teach you how to use it. My guess is that once you learn of the features, you won't go back to Audacity. (You may want to go on to other commercial software after you confront the pluses and minuses of PT, but PT is probably a good next step for you.)
  7. StephenMC

    StephenMC Member

    Funny to me, too, Greener. Intrisic value is always interesting. Really, postmodern thought stems from the awareness of a lack of intrisic value.

    I'm not a communist. I think any economic system is going to suck since humans will always tend to suck.

    I agree with Bob, too. rockdude, if you're looking at the M-Box, and it's within your price range and such, go with it. It's going to be a decent interface and learning to use it and Pro Tools will be a strong start in any career you're looking for, whether it's songwriting or engineering or performing.
  8. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    "I think any economic system is going to suck since humans will always tend to suck. "

    Humans do not suck.
    Attitude sucks.
    Humans tolerate poor attitude.
    Governmental bodies that give 15bil of free money to humans with poor attitudes...sucks:)
  9. StephenMC

    StephenMC Member

    So you want to kill everybody with a bad attitude?

    Such radicalism, Space.
  10. Space

    Space Well-Known Member

    If i recall correctly, and I do, I was adding a perspective to the outlook of the human condition in a more positive fashion.

    Holidays do tend to pull like emotional gravity on some people:)
  11. StephenMC

    StephenMC Member

    So you want to get rid of holidays, too?

    Poor Santa. He was jollier than you could ever be.
  12. 357mag

    357mag Active Member

    Pro Tools may still be the industry standard but that certainly doesn't mean that just because you start using it your recordings will sound like Judas Priest.

    There are many other factors involved in determining the final outcome of a recording. There are also plenty of other DAW's that do a great job when used with good hardware. And you won't be tied into Digidesigns own set of rules.
  13. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    You have to consider as well that you are talking about ProTools LE. As in, Limited Edition. This is no comparison to a complete $30+G ProTools HD3 system complete with I/O, Preamps of your choice and an Icon console. The Preamps on the Mbox are alright to start with. For the average home user it's more than adequate. I'd say the big plus is that you're not using cracked software with all the inherent risks.
  14. BDM

    BDM Active Member

    the mBox has no inherent aesthetic value...
  15. 357mag

    357mag Active Member

    Plus Pro Tools is just as buggy as anything else.
  16. Greener

    Greener Guest

    Alright, I think the piss has been taken. At least I'm laughing so it's probably time to get back on topic.

    Rockdude, what do you want to record? Singing, guitars, drums, classical... What?

    Are you a home producer with no intention of ever making music with other people or do you want to capture live jamb sessions and try and make albums for bands?

    What's the deal?

    The more you talk the more people can suggest how to help hopefully.
  17. tifftunes

    tifftunes Active Member

    I'm told Pro Tools is expensive and "PROPRIETARY." Meaning you must use their "equipment" and software - choices are limited.

    My understanding is that you'd be better off looking elsewhere. This comes from peeps who've compared primarily PTs to Nuendo and prefer Nuendo.

    Personally I use Steinberg's Cubase, and like it.
  18. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    For me, the fact that PT is integrated/tied to digi hardware doesn't end the discussion - it starts it. If you don't like the digi hardware or like something else better it is a deal breaker. But if you like the hardware (as rockdude does) you really have to look deeper at the features before making a decision.

    I agree that the "industry standard" argument is weak on its own. But since PT has been around the longest there are far more learning resources for PT than any other platform. Go to Amazon and do a search on Pro Tools and Nuendo. 2-3 tutorial books on Nuendo. 30-40 books on PT. Same kind of ratios for free tutorials on YouTube, etc. This may not be important to some people, but for others it can be crucial.

    For me the learning materials were the deciding factor. I have a busy day job and no one locally who could give me much help. I wanted to get up and running quickly. The hardware software combination was a bit more expensive than other configurations, but it was basically plug and play. I'm satisfied that it was a good decision at the time and it is working well for me now.

    However, because of a number of features, I wouldn't go with PT if I were going to do a major upgrade today. I have found the constraints on the number of inputs to be somewhat confining. (Not really bad, but I'd go for something a bit bigger if I was making the choice right now, and I'm not in the market for a full blown HD system.) The two-stage bounce and burn system is big workflow kludge for the kinds of things I do. I like some of the various display options in Samplitude better, etc., etc.

    Again, all of these platforms have advantages and disadvantages and it doesn't make sense to tell someone "you'd be better off" with a particular system without knowing everything about them.
  19. antoniosolo

    antoniosolo Guest

    mbox is fine.....

    I have gotten great results and still use the mbox. I spent lots on outboard because the mbox/protools was more than adequate. I don't follow the crowd and prove my own theories. Not surprisingly, if you don't think for yourself, you end up just like all the others.
  20. Space

    Space Well-Known Member


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