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professional distorted guitar micing advice needed!

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by DandalphTheGreat, Mar 16, 2006.

  1. The music I am recording is Heavy Metal. I have been preparing to record guitar tracks for my bands CD. I'm playing a Marshall stack through a AVT150 Head. The order or setup is:

    Guitar-Pedals-StageworksEQ-MarshallHead-Alesis3630Compresser to SM57 "flat" towards the angle of the cone which goes into an ART DPS II Stereo Tube Preamp which than goes into a Yamaha AW1600.

    The main problem is that the guitar sound is not professional sounding. It's not in your face-right there. The guitar sounds itself is decent, but the quality feels less concetrated and loosely fit into the mix.

    It's hard to explain, but i'm sure many of you can tell what mean. It's the quality that sets amateur and professional apart.

    If anyone can give me suggestions on what to do to fix this problem, i would be greatly thankful.
  2. Reggie

    Reggie Distinguished Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    Here's all you have to do:

    1. Use better gear.
    2. Use better mic placement.
    3. Use a better room & monitoring device.
  3. 8th_note

    8th_note Guest

    Here's everything you ever wanted to know about recording distorted electric guitar. Happy reading....

    Slipperman's Recording Distorted Guitars From Hell
  4. jonnyc

    jonnyc Guest

    Get rid of the compressor in the signal chain. Its not needed IMO ,compressing before you go in is just useless, and could possibly be effecting the original signal before recording. Also what pedals are you using? I've never really heard one I like so you may try without. Actually you really need layers of guitars so use the amps distortion and then record the exact same thing with the pedals distortion. I've found that gives(if done properly) a much more pro sound. And yes read the slipperman diaries, they're great.
  5. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    I hate to say it, but I don't think you will ever get a "professional" guitar sound out of an AVT regardless of micing, preamps, etc. The source is the most important thing in a recording chain, and the AVT just doesn't cut it. You need to start with a better amp. I know it's not what you want to hear, sorry.

  6. Nirvalica

    Nirvalica Guest

    danda needs some better gear
  7. jonnyc

    jonnyc Guest

    yeah but he could buy a 3000 rig from mesa or whoever and that still doesn't mean he's going to get a pro sound. he should try to get as close as he can with what he's got. its like telling a noob to recording to just get a great river to start. he can get decently close with an avt and once he masters that a "real" amp will be cake.
  8. Nirvalica

    Nirvalica Guest

    nah, he can get a peavey 6506 for $1000 and get a good metal tone. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=482639 - thats the half stack package he has (atleast the head is.) now you can get a 6505 halfstack for about $1500, or u can buy a used head and cab for about $1000.
  9. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    I hear you. But I don't think it's the same thing as telling someone to start with a great river. I think talking about a recording chain is one thing and talking about the source is another. I would rarely recommend someone starting out with a pre like a great river. However, I do recommend you start recording with a great source.

    From Dandalph's original post said he was looking for a pro sound and while a great amp isn't the only thing it takes, IMHO it is the most important. I don't think taking the compressor out of his signal chain is going to take his sound from something he doesn't like to something amazing.

    I always try to start at the source instead taking an ok sound, micing it up, and trying to turn it into something awesome in the mix. I'm not suggesting there is nothing to be gained by working on technique on a less than optimal source I just don't think Dandalph is going to get the sound he is looking for from an AVT.

  10. jonnyc

    jonnyc Guest

    I hear what your saying about the source and you're right. Now as far as the compressor goes, I just don't really think he needs that in his signal chain.
  11. Boltino

    Boltino Guest

    I agree. The only thing that 3630 adds is noise.

  12. Cosme

    Cosme Guest


    If you're only using an SM57, you may not be getting the best frequency range in your recording, I recomend you this, use two mics: the sm57 facing angled to the inside aproximately in the middle moving from the center to the edge of the cone, and use another mic, could be dynamic (with good response in the lower frequences, maybe an EV-RE20 or a Beta52) or condenser large diaphragm (AT4040, TLM130) placed in axis with the speaker at a distance where the sound of the guitar doesn't overload the mic's signal, this will give you coverage in the lower and higher frequences while the sm57 gives you coverage in the middle frequences and you'll have complete sounding distorted guitar. Another recommendation: the best distorted guitar sound comes directly from a good amp, no pedal can imitate this, use Randall or Mesa
  13. stickers

    stickers Active Member

    Jan 31, 2005
    Lowell MA
    Home Page:
    here's my take on recording guitars...

    I prefer using just one mic. I've tried using 2 mics and its just a pain sort of..once guitar tracks start building up and up...the amount of tracks becomes confusing.

    I just stick to a sm57 with good placement.
  14. riffster

    riffster Guest

    Personally, I would not be able to play rock guitar without compression, to me it's absolutely essential and I wouldn't record without it. Why would you have to have to record massive stacks to get a good recording?
  15. jonnyc

    jonnyc Guest

    So you're saying that no compression actually inhibits your playing ability? That's interesting. There was a thread I saw that was either here or homerecording.com and its was asking who all uses compression on rock guitars. Just about every single person said they used none. What is it about a compressor that you feel you need? And who said anything about massive stacks. We were talking about a 4x12 versus a combo.
  16. riffster

    riffster Guest

    Yep, I read this post and too quickly responded without thinking about was was actually said...oops. But yes to the compression thing, I guess either I'm an oddball or I simply haven't found the right gear yet for that "tone". It's really the only processing I have in my entire chain. It's how I get that wonderful tight snap that effects my overall groove.

    8th note, that link was freaking great!

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