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Project Du jour...

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Davedog, Nov 16, 2003.

  1. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    In attempting to become a sort of community,I firmly believe that knowing more about each of these basically anonymous posters,helps us all in understanding where each of us is coming from when we make particullarly pointed remarks, or seemingly over zealous opinions about the proper use and application of some piece of gear or technique.So, as yer MODERATOR,I'm going to open a thread dealing with a bit of discussion about what you may have on the table currently,or recently,as a project.Perhaps a bit of info as to the methods used in capturing your sounds,type of major gear on the project,interesting anecdotes about some portion thereof...etc...etc.Keep it to under 10,000 words pleeze.......(insert hated smileyface here)

    My Summer Project: I'm currently recording a CD by my group,The Spitboys...It has a lot of bluegrass elements in it, though it could not be classified as a pure bluegrass type of record.Its more of a 'Leftover Salmon' meets Kinky Friedmann without the Porn....We are putting 14 songs on this disk and have another 20 or so ready to go on the next one.
    It will be an Independent release.The title is "Spank That Monkey and Other Love Songs" and its going to be on Drool'n Dogg Rekords.We had set Christmas as the release date but it aint gonna make it so we'll get it out when we can.

    All of the tracking has been done at my house,known as The Clubhouse Studio...Its a very good sounding basement(actually family room and bar).....All tracks have been done on a Soundcraft Ghost 32,with some guest mic pres added here and there.Primarily a True Systems P2 and an Art MPA.All going to Alesis HD24,@24 bits and 48.1khz.I use very little processing in tracking as I prefer mic placement and sonic value going in to artifact.There are a lot of acoustic instruments involved and a lot of vocals.Also,tuba,accordian,harmonica,musical saw,electric bass,acoustic bass,drums,things to whack on,electric guitars,and most anything else we come up with.The mics have included Studio Projects B3,Octava MK319,AKG451L,ADK A51V,ATM25,ADK SC1,Shure SM57,and others.

    We will be mixing this soon as our tracking is nearly done.At this time we will be going to a very good room and mixing in Protools HD and then mastering.I really only want to mix digitally for the ability to retain the mixes.The room we have in mind has a good amount of outboard and I doubt that I'll be using any plugs except for a minimal use of a pultec type EQ.We will also be taking a couple of songs to Kurt and mixing at his place.Again, the memory is the only thing I really need and the outboard if necessary.

    We've been almost 9 months on this project and it has become a wonderful thing to listen to.Since we dont owe anyone anything on it,taking our time and letting it grow has been the best thing for it.I say this with a smile as it took us about 8 hours to do the basic tracks.

    Anyway....peace to all of you...and lets hear about YOUR project...commercial,personal,something for a friend in yer basement,whatever....Are you happy with the results?Is it making yer life miserable?Is it the most JOY you've ever had with yer pants on? Word up....I'm out. dog
     
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  2. Skeetch

    Skeetch Guest

    Weeelllllll, lemme see.

    A former bandmate's current 3-piece group is about to start work on their second album out at my place. Some updated pics are all originals bunch and their music is probably best described as acoustic folk rock. The guitarist primarily plays a Godin nylon string acoustic electric which has proven quite challenging to get a good sound from during tracking. He's exclusively a finger picker and the sound of his fingernails contacting the nylon strings has been driving me nuts. To me, it detracts somewhat from his otherwise excellent playing. Not sure how we're gonna deal with that just yet.

    Initial tracking will be done through a combination of outboard preamps - ISA428, VMP2, VTB-1's - and the pre's on my Ghost. This will all get shoved onto a Roland VS1880 for now. I'm investigating dedicated HD recorders but the budget won't permit purchasing one till after the first of the year. Also about to receive an ART Pro VLA as my first tube compressor so that should be a nice alternative to my RNC's. Always nice to have different crayons to color with. Like Dave, though, I prefer to spend time with mic placement versus EQ'ing/compressing on the way in. Depends on who and what's in front of the mic, sometimes a little compression on vox is necessary.

    Working with these guys is always a pleasure as they're all solid musicians and very laid back. No egos or BS to deal with. About the only other project of note to mention is my ongoing exploration into ambient/chill music. This is a solo thing I've been pursuing for awhile using a combination of AcidPro and live instruments - a sample is here. A real departure from my old hard rock days, but lots of fun.
     
  3. MikoMader

    MikoMader Guest

    Myself, I was in a band called "89 Pistons" here in Detroit. The pressure placed on us from a few different labels in NY and LA made us take a serious look at what were doing. The singer was looking in a more "pop" direction and I, a more "rock" direction. So we split ties.

    I'm working on two projects currently. One is making very musical, hip-hop instrumentals. It contains both samples and live instrumentation from yours truly. Some of which is made for this crew UniverSOUL Productions The other project is a solo rock album. Rather than name it after me, it's called "Moments from Now". It's centered around guitar and vocals are sparse.

    These projects are going to be recorded at home primarily. My bedroom/basement studio consists of:
    PC-based Digi001 rig
    Behringer MX9000 console
    Ampex 351, 601, and MX-10 pre's
    Oktava MKL2500, ML52, MC012, MK 219
    Rode NT1, 421-U5, and 4 Shure SM99 podium mics
    Gibson Les Paul Standard Plus and ES-135
    An assortment of tube amps and cabs

    Drum recording and mixing are likely to take place at the post studio I do voice-over and session-playing for. RMS Productions

    Wish me luck.

    [ November 18, 2003, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: MikoKensington ]
     
  4. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    Thanx guys....is this ALL there is? Theres only three projects going on right now in all the thousands of registered membership??!! Mmmm...kay......

    How about all you moderators? Mastering guys....Sound specialists.....someone .....anyone.....

    Step up to the plate all you "perfeshionells"...even if yer polishing turds....everyone wants to know....

    Dont make me e-mail all of you with thousands of little smiley faces........BELIEVE me I will.
     
  5. Alanfc

    Alanfc Guest

    DaveDog
    Hey !

    I'm working on the 3rd overhaul of this one particular song, which I'm getting a little tired of now but I'm learning a ton.

    I've got a minimal setup with Cakewalk, VTB-1 preamp, RNC Compressor, Edirol UA-5 soundcard. Guitars through an old solid state Marshall mic'ed with the SM57. Vocals through the SM57 and an MXL V67. Oh, and a drum machine and Fender (OK Squier) Bass.
    Now getting close to finishing all the vocals. Its fun doing backups with like 8 tracks of ME. Kinda trippy. Intonation with doubling, tripling is a challenge. Just me in my apartment with a homemade isolation box for the guitar amp and a isolation booth for vocals.(OK its a funkified padded tall tool shed)

    Looking forward to mixing again. On Yorkville monitors. I have a ton of new things to try. In a couple days I'll get there. I work on this stuff nights and weekend days. I am enjoying it. Planning to take it to a pro facility for mastering, then making a CD of the 10-12 songs, then for fun putting it up on some indy sales sites and giving to friends/family. With the dual purpose of using the CD to help me get some guys to play out with around town. (Like a really expensive time consuming demo tape)
     
  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    mmm kay ya twisted my arm with the threat of smileys.. although, that threat would probably work more leverage with AudioGaff.

    As a lot of you know, aside from my comparisons and evaluations (and in some cases in conjunction with), I am currently doing an "originals" project for a Jimmy Buffet tribute band "The Cheeseburgers".

    The band consists of drums, various percussion, electric bass, keys, 2 guitars, male lead vocals and two female and one male backup singers and perhaps a sax player if we can find one.

    We are recording to Cubase VST 5.1, through 2 - Alesis AI3's and a Frontier Dakota soundcard, using a JLM TMP8 (on loan for review), a Sebatron vmp 4000e, 2 Neve Amek 9098s, a Great River MP2NV (on loan for review), Millennia STT-1 (on loan for review), UREI 1178 and Blackface LA4s for front end. I am using a Mackie SR24 to monitor the no latency AISO inputs, seding the aux mixes for phones to 2 Rane HP 6 headphone amps and Sony phones, tracking and mixing "in the box" while using the aforementioned compressors and eq's, Lexicon PCM 60, 70 & 80, an Eventide HD3000 S/E , MXR 1500 DDL, Alesis Quadraverb, Yamaha SPX 90, Peavey Valveverb and an Antares ATR1.
    I am recording the mixes to a Fostex CR200 CDr recorder via the s/pdif outs from the Dakota card.

    For mics we have;
    Neumann U87,
    2 - ATM 4033s
    6 Pro 35's
    Studio Projects B1, (on loan for review)
    C3 (on loan for review)
    2 - C4s, (on loan for review)
    AKG C12a,
    3 - C451L's,
    C451LB,
    2 - C460B's,
    3 - D112's,
    3 Sennheiser 421's,
    2 Beyer ND201's
    6 Shure SM57's
    Audix D6. (on loan for review)

    For monitors we currently have Yamaha NS10's, Auratones, Tannoy System 12 DMTs powered by 2 Haffler 3000's and Yamaha MSP10's (on loan for review).

    Things have been moving along a good clip. We have done 7 sessions most about 4 to 6 hours and we are almost halfway finished with the CD..
     
  7. bgavin

    bgavin Guest

    Alright, I'm the newbie, so I'll go next.

    Links below are for my daughter's band Aroarah who is recording a demo for a label in Los Angeles.

    The sessions started at 08:00 Saturday morning, and went until 01:00 Sunday morning. The location was Japan Auto Care, the autoshop business owned by the father of two of the girls in the band. We pushed cars out of the way to make room for the equipment. The acoustics were tempered somewhat by the genuine Babe calendars on the walls over the guys' tool boxes.

    Console is a Ramsa 20-channel WR-T20 (or something like that). Nine mics on the drums and accessories. ATM25 on the kick and toms, SM57 on the rest, and a pair of 30 year old Radio Shack electret condensors as overheads. SM57 on the amps, Countryman Type 85 for the bass. The board was feeding an Alesis ADAT brought by the engineer from the label.

    The pictures are all blurry because it was SO DAMN LOUD in there.

    :D

    The tracks were mixed back in LA and presented to management down there. It was good enough to get the girls a 3-day invite for more recording time in LA. We are hoping to get them on the Warp Tour 2004 next summer.

    The Recording Area

    The Recording Engineer

    Kenzey on Drums

    Yours Truly Goind Deaf
     
  8. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    Ok, Ok, Ok, Ok...... Dam Dog!

    I've got a few things going on at the same time.

    One is an vocal recording and mix to an Elvis Karaoke being done in Cubase VST all in the box so that the client can can tweak it after if he wants. The mic will be the AT4060 through an API 512C mic pre and Manley Mono Vari-Mu compressor.

    Second is a vocal recording and mix with the music already recorded by someone else on 16-track ADAT (poorly done via Mackie into ADAT) that I will have to turd polish and re-record the vocals.

    Third is on-going project where old 24-track Otari tapes I recorded from the 1980's are shedding and falling apart that are being dumped and transfered into digital for me to re-mix. Converters are through multi Apogee AD-8000's into both protools and then into ADAT-XT20 as the band owner of the Otari tapes owns ADAT's. No edits are planned so I may just mix from the ADAT's as slow and cumbersome as it may be. But I have the option to xfer ADAT optical into Cubase-VST DAW via two 16-Channel Sonorus PCI cards.

    Current mixing setup that is wired and ready to go.

    Alesis X2 24x8x2 Recording Console (48-inputs, v1.1 w/ADAT Sync & MIDI Mute Automation)
    Alesis BRC ADAT Master Remote Control (v2.04)
    HHB CDR-850 2-CH CD Recorder w/Remote (8CM/12CM CD-DA/CD-R/CD-RW)
    Corporate Systems Center CD DUPE-IT! CD Duplicator (w/ SCSI External Interface)
    Tascam DA-30 2-Trk DAT w/ RC-30D Remote
    Tascam 122 MKIII 2-Trk Cassette w/ RC-134 Remote
    Tascam 22-2 2-Channel 1/2-Track Analog Reel-to-Reel Tape Recorder(7-1/4ips & 15 ips)
    Genelec 1031APM Near Field 2-Way Biamped Active Studio Monitor Speakers
    JBL 4406 Near Field 2-Way Studio Monitor Speakers (w/ HF level)

    (2) AMEK/Neve CIB Single Channel Class-A Mic Preamp/Compressor/Limiter/Eq
    Focusrite RED-7 Single Channel Class-A Mic Preamp/Compressor/Limiter/De-sser/Exciter
    JoeMeek VC1Qcs Single Studio Channel Mic Preamp/Compressor/Limiter/De-sser/Exciter/Eq
    (2) Altec 436C Single Channel Tube Compressor
    Groove Tubes CL1s Dual Channel Tube Optical Compressor/Limiter
    Focusrite Red-3 Dual Channel Compressor/Limiter
    (3) Manley Labs Vari-Mu Single Channel Tube Compressor/Limiter
    Summit Audio TLA-100A Single Channel Tube Optical Leveling Limiter
    Tube-Tech CL2A Dual Channel Tube Optical Compressor/Limiter
    Universal Audio/Teletronix LA-2A Single Channel Tube Optical Lmiter
    (2) API 525 Single Channel VCA Compressor/Limiter
    Ashly SC-50 Single Channel VCA Compressor/Limiter
    Dbx 160S Dual Channel VCA Compressor/Limiter
    Dbx 160SL Dual Channel VCA Compressor/Limiter
    MXR Dual Channel VCA Compressor/Limiter
    T.C. Electronic DBmax-II Multiband Digital Dynamic Maximizer (v2.90)
    (2) API 550 4-band Parametric
    BBE 822A Dual Channel Sonic Maximizer
    EXR EX-IV Dual Channel Aural Exciter
    Manley Labs Massive-Passive Dual Channel Tube Passive Eq. (Limited Edition Gold/Chrome)
    Eventide DSP4500 Digital Multi-Effects Processors (v2.3 w/ Ultra Shifter & max size sampler options)
    Eventide DSP7000 Digital Multi-Effects Processors (v3.02)
    Lexicon M300 Digital Effects Processor (v3.5)
    Lexicon PCM42 Digial Delay Processor w/ MEO
    Lexicon PCM70 Digial Effects Processor (v.3.0)
    Lexicon PCM91 Digital Reverb Processor (v1.0)
    Sony MUR-201 Digital Effects Processor (w/ MU-RM1A Remote)
    TC Electronic M5000 Digital Multi-Effects Processor (v3.53, 2X ADA-1 cards, 2X DSP-1+ cards w/ 2X 24MB samplers)
    Yamaha SPX-900 Digial Multi-Effects w/ RCX1 remote
    Roland RE-150 Space Echo Analog Tape Delay Processor
     
  9. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Damn Gaff!
    Got outboard? I'm envious!
    See Dog, I told you the smiley threat would work hee hee hee
     
  10. MikoMader

    MikoMader Guest

    Gaff will be usin' some gear. But...

    :) :) :) :) :)

    Someone had to act upon a threat around here.
     
  11. Doublehelix

    Doublehelix Well-Known Member

    OK...I'll bite...

    Got several things in the works in different stages of development...

    1) High-School punk band hell

    My son fronts a punk rock/ska band that is doing a mix of covers and originals. We have been recording "projects" of theirs to work out ideas, and are just about ready to sit down and start work on the final product...

    2) More high-school punk band hell

    I just finished a project for another high-school punk band. We completed a 5-song all-original demo that just about ruined me! This band is much less talented then my son's band, and had zero studio experience (understandable), so they were very difficult to work with. Lots of takes, mistakes, punch-ins...Argggggg!!!

    The drummer thinks that "Time" is a magazine, but yet refused to play to a click track...Sheer *hell* I tell you!!! :)

    3) Just iced a deal for a more mature punk rock/ska band (they are just crawling out of the woodwork for some reason...*help*!!!) for a 5-song original demo.

    I am going to take a more iron-handed approach with these guys, and will be producing as well as engineering this one.

    4) I tracked a 5 song demo for a Texas-based act almost a year ago that I am trying to finish between other work. Bascially, I got lead vocals and rhythm guitar tracked to drum loops, and I am supplying everything else. I have already brought in a great bass player and tracked the bass guitar parts, and I have laid down most of the guitar parts (lead and have replaced the rhythm parts that were not so "tight"...I'm being polite here... ;) ). I also tracked the keyboard parts and BG vox, but I will probably be bringing in a real keyboardist on at least one of the songs that requires some real piano skill that I don't have.

    This is a really fun project that I have full artistic control over, but the original song ideas are from the Texas contingent. I have added some bridges, hooks, fills, etc., so I do have some ownership here, but cannot take credit as the songwriter.

    5)I am also working with a contemporary Christian rock band for a CD project. This is also a really cool project that will be getting started in earnest in January. We have been laying the groundwork for a while on this one getting all the parts together, etc.
     
  12. NolanVenhola

    NolanVenhola Guest

    Interesting post. I think everyone here is doing good things.

    I just finished recording a 3 song ep for a group of guys I've known for a while. Good progressive rock stuff.

    It's however a sad testiment to the poor recording standards these days though. The recordings I did with:

    Samson mics
    Behringer mixer
    Edirol DA2496 Interface
    Sonar 2.2

    Still beat the hell out of all the recording studios within 200 miles. Then again I do live in Middle/Northern Ontario, and there are only about 10 studios within that range... but doesn't matter. My $5000 worth of equipment beat out the sound from a much larger studio which I will not mention.

    I will chalk it up to what I have learned at RO and perhaps I know what sound I like and know how to get it with software.

    Currently I am moving into a loft and will be setting up shop down there, to record a few more tunes for the same band, and a couple more bands. And of course myself... all acoustic album? you bet. 1 track done, sounds like heavan. Far cry from my distorted drop d, couple steps down pounding.

    So thanks to all here.
     
  13. bubblegum

    bubblegum Guest

    I will resist the temptation to include my usual "Cool" smiley face.....

    My main project started last Thursday tracking an album for my own band "Monsoon". A proper rock album, you know real songs, no shredding or widdly guitars!

    Lineup is...
    Drums
    Elec. Bass
    Elec Guitar & B acking Vox (me)
    Lead Vocal.

    some guitar (elec & acoustic) overdubs will be done as will a grand piano on some tracks.

    We hired a pretty good live room for me to set my gear with a separate little room for monitoring etc.. All was looking good 'til we got bumped for another band who were prepared to pay more for the room and we were forced at the last minute to record in what is little more than an outhouse in the middle of a field in SW England.

    Still every cloud etc... as the saying goes. This room sounds amazing! Loosely followed Recorderman's overhead micing technique and due to the generous people on this forum that shared their views on the Audix D6. I took delivery of one the day before. (Pure luck as it was really hard for me to source here in the UK for some reason).

    Complete set up of system, mics, baffles and correct recording levels was reasonably quick and the first day was spent with test takes to perfect mic positions etc and this left 3 more days to track drums.

    My drummer got 13 songs down in those 3 days and they all have the magic I was intending them to have. A job well done.

    I am also able to get into a fantastic little studio full of proper gear (50's, 60's, 70's) pultecs, fairchilds, 1176s etc and a Neve console. Loads of vintage guitar amps and mics (telefunken, Neuman etc...)

    3 more drum tracks to be finished by Saturday 22nd Nov and then bass finished by 27th.

    Then tracking guitars, piano & vocals at that studio!!!

    I'm getting a bit too excited as this whole project is coming together better than I could have dreamed. Also got some pretty excited people Stateside itching to hear the tracks.

    My gear, which is set up for mobile use is as follows.

    Digidesign 001,
    Apple Mac G4 867Mhz.
    CLM Dynamics 8 channel mic pre with ADAT lightpipe.
    SPL Goldmike dual tube mic pre.
    TLA IvoryII 5051 4 channel tube pre.
    Empirical Labs Fatso.
    TF Pro P5 box full of Optical compressors.
    Alesis AI3 D/A A/D converter.
    Samson S-phone h-phone mixer amp.

    mics:
    Audix D6
    4 x TF Pro TF27 sd condensers.
    Red5 Audio RV-10, LD multi pattern condenser.
    Red5 Audio RV-15 Valve LD condenser.
    Yoga Drum mic set (4 dynamic with mounting clips, really cheap, but I can't believe how good they sound on toms!)

    SM57.

    An amazing drummer, a solid bassist, a great vocalist and myself along with a few extremely talented, helpful friends and very well written songs. In short a great functioning team (more important than all the gear actually!)

    Hope this is of interest to some of you.
     
  14. Skeetch

    Skeetch Guest

    Damn! I wanna hang out at Gaff's house. That's a yummy pile of outboard.
     
  15. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    Skeetch, don't forget your money!

    Kurt, That is just outright obscene, nasty and mean! You can come over, but you have stay outside with the dogs!
     
  16. pmolsonmus

    pmolsonmus Well-Known Member

    I've got three projects all in the works for quick production and release before Christmas.

    1. We do an annual holiday choral CD with my high school choirs that we distribute to parents and friends as a fundraiser. Last year because of timeline issues we did this in a ridiculous amount of time. We had all the copyright and print material done ahead of time because we knew what we were going to record in advance and could do it at the school. We started rolling tape (G4 with 001 & PT LE) on Thursday and after a number of sessions each day, students had finished products in their hands with stick-on labels on Monday after school!!! I was here 20+ hrs/day. These are virtually live recordings with the option for mulitple takes, but the performances are always good or it doesn't make the cut. This year we're ready to go now, but I foolishly upgraded to OSX for a new OO2R and had the power harness issue so we're waiting again.
    For these recordings I fly Crown PZM's into a sytek pre , a couple 414's on the piano and get out of the way. Even things out with a little compression and reverb and everybody has a Merry Christmas. We made (net) 15K on it last year! Because we do everything in house we made about $8/unit on a $10 cd. It paid for a festival w/ Chanticleer in San Francisco.

    2. I'm working on some vocal jazz arrangements to be used as a background for a solo singer who wanted a Manhattan Transfer-type sound. His budget will determine if I do the singing and hire other pros or if I give it to my high school singers (who are really good) for the experience. Not sure if the recording will take place at my place or the studio where he's doing the project.

    3. A jazz trumpet player friend of mine wants to record some Christmas songs with me on voice and piano and him blowing over the changes. Another quick turnaround- just trying to capture a live vibe. We may add a bass for a little more groove.

    4. The only other thing I'm working on is my self-produced Cd that I've been working on for years with no release date in sight. It was supposed to be done when I turned 30, but it just keeps changing and I'm afraid to pull the trigger, even though 30 was 10 yrs ago.
     
  17. Davedog

    Davedog Distinguished Member

    AG....sorry fer da threat but it hadda be done.....Oh BTW....nice junk ya got...My favorites of the AG line up would have to be the Genelecs....got 1029's with sub myself....I'm like White Swan on the Alesis X2...how do you keep it going,or have you been lucky and got a Wednesday unit...!

    pmolsonmus:re....solo album.....spell p-r-o-d-u-c-e-r....ya know, the guy that can tell ya to 'shutup.. its perfect.. next song pleeze.'
     
  18. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    If you like the 1029's you would just love the 1031's. Worlds of difference. Every time I play music that I know of and have heard many times, I hear things that I didn't hear before on any other speaker. They are such a joy to listen to.

    I've had real good luck with my X2, and I knew the original owner fairly well so that helped me knowing what I was getting. The secret is to not use the preamps or switching the 48V on/off. I almost always just use the tape in's and the line in's. The eq is very useable and those extra 24 channels with the mini faders sure come in handy. At least I can proudly say I'm not using a Mackie!

    I guess you didn't hear, White Swan got kicked out or rather banned without being given any notice as to why? She said she just couldn't no longer login? Too bad as she was one of the more intelligent and well spoken posters around here. I'm kinda of pissed off about myself. Politics I guess?
     
  19. Skeetch

    Skeetch Guest

    I can't afford to buy any of it. I just wanna bask in all of its aura. I bet it smells cool too.
     
  20. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    Skeetch, None of it's for sale. (well, the right offer makes anything for sale) You just got pay to see it, play it, or even smell it. Just like the dog face boy at the circus...
     

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