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ProTools 10 is here........already

Discussion in 'Pro Tools' started by hueseph, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Yup. Time to upgrade? O lord I hope not. It'll have to be pretty darn cool.


    • Real Time Crossfades.
    • Real time editing of volume envelopes. (clip gain)
    • Euphonix System 5 based channel strip plugin.
    • Integrated support for interleaved stereo files.
    • Starts at $699. Upgrade $299
    • Available Now.
    ProTools HDX

    • 32 bit Float Point.
    • 5x the power of HD
    • Increased track count
    • cannot be clipped. This is what they are proclaiming.
    • 18 DSP chips per card
    • AX plugins. Shared architecture replacing TDM and RTAS plugins. Can be used on the host cpu or DSP cards.
    • Improved Disk Performance
    • Extended Ram Cache. Allows you to load audio into and play from RAM.
    • Backwards compatible files to ProTools 7
    • better Responsiveness.
    • Fully supports recording to Network Storage.
    • $10000 initial investment. (DSP card w/PT10HDX only)

    20 Years of ProTools. This is where they're at.

    On demand streaming will be available soon.
  2. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Wow, that sounds pretty amazing.

    Hue, how do you like PT 9? I was thinking about buying it today, then thought about upgrading my older TDM version and stopped in my tracks. Now PT10. hmm Well, I guess we were right. Now the rally starts. All those guys that recently dropped cash down on the HD's, The used is going to be flooding Ebay soon.

    Looking forward to PT 10 now.
  3. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Wow, are you watching the video's ? This is a nice upgrade. Disk Cache, oh ya...
  4. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I was typing as i watched the live feed. I like ProTools for the same reason that others hate it. Real time mixdown to me is essential. With a live mixdown i know what`s going on. Sometimes with other DAWs and offline mixdown, you get artifacting, or worse, you get a mix that sounds nothing like the one you were working on. I suppose it`s mostly a matter of familiarity. Getting around in ProTools is pretty easy for me and generally, I know what to expect. That being said, I find most DAWs easy to navigate. Still I find myself coming back to ProTools for audio. If I was a big midi user, I`d probably go with Cubase.

    The RAM Cache thing has me curious. I`d really love to be able to use that but I don`t want to spend $15000 to do buy into an HDX card and Omni I/O or other interface.
  5. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Did they mention 64 bit? The Extended RAM Disk Cache was accessing 6 GB of RAM in the demonstration.

    EDIT: Here's the deal. It's not 64 bit Native but somehow they seem to have worked around this and can give access to 4 GB of available RAM within ProTools. The 6GB of RAM that I specified above was total system RAM with 4 GB accessed for ProTools.

    They recommend 8GB of system RAM.
  6. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Absolutely agree. They did mention 64 bit too.

    I've tried to download Cubase a few times but its a whacked download requirement. I never get their code sent either. Something somewhere is blocking them beyond my ability to find. You need to buy a key or something too yes?. I'll have to look again because I'm curious.

    I will never invest in a big Pro Tools rig again but I will buy PT 10. Its getting so advanced now. Beyond anything humanly possible. What ever happened to performance as it was tracked.
    I suppose a secondhand HD rig might be interesting but I have much better hardware as it is.

    ProTools 10, here I come.
  7. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    For the sake of traffic, here's some video:

  8. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    It looks like good news to me. (Not saying it is good news to everyone.) The FAQ says that this is the last version that will be compatible with the old hardware. The next upgrade is 64 bits. Just a hunch that UAD will upgrade to 64 at the same time or right before. I'm liking my "poor mans HD" system with the UAD DSP cards, the Fireface UFX interface and PT9 software. A smooth transition to 64 in the next year would be nice.

    I'll wait a month or so to see the dust settle (and finish up the current project) to evaluate whether to go with PT10 or skip it.
  9. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    I think it's great news. Looking forward to a used HD system for cheap in the next few months:tongue:.
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Ya, its not 64bit. Can you believe that.
  11. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I'm with you on that Bob. I wouldn't drop a dollar into any hardware that isn't 64 bit at this point, that's for certain. They are going to charge everyone to upgrade it just like always. And I'm guessing in about 10 months. Its already in place, they are starting this out like all the other templates.

    The poor mans is looking better all the time. But wow, this new system sounds amazing.
  12. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    This is the good by kiss to all of those (maybe you) who have hardware that can't handle 64 bits.
  13. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    HD has 16,000 samples of ADC. Not sure if there was any improvement for the non-HD versions.

    The Sweetwater video has more specific description of the features.

    For an HD user with hardware that can't be retrofitted to work with 64 bits, this looks like the end. And they seem to have done some clever programming to help get around the limitations of 32 bits. It looks nice enough that it may help keep the hardware resale price at a reasonable level. I also think we're seeing the long term sales pitch: It won't improve, but it's a great system, still a lot of life left in it.

    For a non-HD user its not clear that this upgrade is worth it. We know the next upgrade is 64 bit, so we (at least I) will definitely shell out for that. It will probably be with a big rollout of new HD hardware - so maybe it won't be that soon. But it can't be all that long, and it's not clear that it's worth $299 to use the new features for the next six months or a year.

    Update: I wasn't paying attention. The 64-bit ready hardware has already been introduced. This makes me think that PT 11 is coming out very soon.
  14. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    PT 10 is the last release that will support the old hardware. That means all the old HD, Mbox, Digi xxx hardware will be obsolete very, very soon. Well, they are already but you know what I mean.

    Yes the ADC is a large improvement even for standard PT 10 but............................

    The worst thing is that Disc Cache and many of the other substantial updates (including the improved ADC) are ONLY available in HDX or Complete Production Tool Kit. That's another $1500 investment for the standard PT10 users!

    Cubase is starting to look very good now.
  15. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Why only $1500? Isn't it $9,999 for HDX?
  16. niclaus

    niclaus Active Member

    I just paid for PT9.
    Now i'm buying a house...
    I'm sad to see that i won't be "up to date" for a long time!!!!

  17. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    PT10 NON-HD users need to pay an extra $1500 FOR CPTK in order to get the extra features.
  18. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    What really pisses me of is that this is all cach up. For $600 you can get Cubas 6 which already has many of the new features and more. Disc Cache is apparnt in Cubase 6 in the way that it operates. They just aren't tooting their horn about I because many other DAWs already employ this.
  19. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Are they talking about 64bit / 392 interface/converters? So this means we have reached the best of 24/ 196 realm now.

    Stellar converters and Disc Cache are the biggest improvement here and finally I say! Converters are everything when it comes to digital. All the best hardware in the world still sucks if your converters suck, plain and simple. Its catching up to high end analog more and more. This is a serious step towards great sounding music and performance for hybrid DAW systems too. Its only gets better.

    For those stuck in the 24/196 world... its still ain't bad and its definitely looking great for the majority because we can safely say goodbye to crap across the board. The level of everything will be improved from their benchmark. Thank goodness! Top 40 will sound better. But what about MP3 and internet audio after all is said and done?

    There will be something to compensate for us using all the fine 24/196 DAC if its that big an improvement.

    As always, get the latest and greatest Avid , will always be behind with your CP trying to keep up, thus needing Avid hardware to compensate and make it all work. The new lines are always lacking something too. So, its all wonderful news but its a long ways off before it reached perfection once again. Its a constant chase.

    Disc cache is going to be the big performance step for everyone else. This is the great divide and what keeps Avid on their toes.

    What a blast.
  20. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    Notice how Mitch Gallagher says in this video, you should never have issues with clipping and headroom on your master bus anymore. I thought they said that when I bought my TDM Mix system 10 years ago, and with the HD system :) . Each upgrade , tons of headroom. I guess they haven't been watching Dan's tutorial on how perfect digital summing is.
    I know I know... just having fun here ... ROTF


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