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protools yay or nay?

Discussion in 'Pro Tools' started by Fast2gg, Feb 6, 2007.

  1. Fast2gg

    Fast2gg Guest

    Let me start by saying i'm very n00b at this stuff so excuse me if these are obvious things that i'm asking or if im not clear enough. I've been reading the forums a lot and now im trying to decide what hardware i should add to my setup,
    acid 6, sonar 5pe, and cubase sx3.
    creative soundcard that has midi inputs (pretty useless).
    2ghz atholonXP 1g ramddr

    ive been looking at some pre-amps and mixers, and some things like the firepodhttp://www.zzounds.com/item--PRSFIREPOD

    i plan on getting a fairly versatile mic that can do a few of different atterns, hopefully that sounds good as well

    so... i guess my question is what sort of interface does anyone suggest? i really only will have 1 mic for the time being. i possibly would like the ability to add more eventually.

    i like the idea of those mixer interfaces that have the firewire plug in. Are these good? do they rape your systems resources? i only got 1g ram and cubase and co. tend to kill my speed,
    ( as it is the soundcard i got has a 1 second delay when recording, is that normal or is it just my PoS soundcard? )

    what about protools, is that the way to go? i have never used the software and don't know if its better or just similar to the rest. if i were to get a protools interface, would my gimpy pc handle it?
    ie. 002http://www.zzounds.com/item--DGDMX002 (which i cant afford btw.)

    So any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

    on a sidenote i just want to say this forum is pretty awesome. im just starting to educate myself about recording, and this forum has so much information. you guys are cool.
  2. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    I say crap on ProTools. With any other software, you can pick from the hundreds of interfaces out there, but with PT, you must use theirs. If one of theirs isn't right for you, tough. Also there's the matter of cost: PT can be a bit of a money pit. After you buy in, Digi's kinda got you by the balls. For a person that just wants a really nice, simple, affordable recording system, I would not recommend PT. Apps are apps; they all do pretty much the same thing. Some people like DP for MIDI, Nuendo for post, Samplitude/Pyramix for elitism ;) It's all a matter of preference.

    As for the FW interfaces, I like the few I've seen, and no, they don't seem to be resource hogs.
  3. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Wow! That's about $1200.00 in software right there! And, you're using that with a SounBlaster card? For you this is what I would do:

    First, I would ditch all the cracked software. Don't try to lie. You admitted you're a newb and newbs don't often spend $1200 on software. If you bought it on the web, you bought cracked software which you could've downloaded for free.

    Second, I would by some sort of decent audio interface. If you bought a Mbox 2 you would get ProTools LE with it. If you buy any number of other interfaces, you will likely get some other version of either Cubase LE, Ableton's LIVE LE or Tracktion, depending on the hardware. If none of those do the trick, Tracktion can be had for about $150 US and Cubase SE for about $99.00.

    It pays to be a registered user. Full support and a decent manual. Plus the self respect that you build for being legitimate.
  4. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Hey now...just cuz my poo doesn't stink doesn't mean I'm an elitist....

    I can't agree more with both of these guys.

    First, there's no need to have both Sonar AND Cubase (at least not as a beginner).

    Second, most of the firewire devices on the market are relatively comparable and as hueseph points out, owning one of these will almost assuredly afford you a free package of software (some include SEVERAL packages that are quite nice despite their "free-ness")

    Cheers -

  5. Fast2gg

    Fast2gg Guest

    i got sonar and cubase for the sake of learning how to use them.
    and i pwn acid.
    i apoligize if you think its wrong, i dont intend on using either seriously, like i said i got them for learning sake, and i learned cubase lags the hell out of my system, and i hated the interface.
    I.E. I Saved myself hundreds of dollars on some software that i didn't really like anyways.

    like i said i'm very n00b and am just digging my way through all the different things out there to work with, and do. I have no experience in recording outside what i've learned on here and this book i got on acoustics.

    i am really anxious to get a decent interface so i can start playing with recording, and learn thru experimentation and all that jazz.
  6. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    Haha! I knew you'd see that, Jeremy! :)
  7. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    What you're probably experiencing is latency. Something which usually isn't a problem with a decent sound card with decent ASIO drivers. Your computer is plenty powerful enough.
  8. Fast2gg

    Fast2gg Guest

    so if i got one of these firewire interfaces. does that take the place of my sound card? or is that a seperate issue?
  9. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    Yes, a FW interface is a soundcard.
  10. Fast2gg

    Fast2gg Guest

    ok cool,

    either way i thought cubase was a pain to figure out, and i dont think ill be using it.

    are there things in SONAR/CUBASE that can not be done in acid? i haven't heard many people talking about acid but i know in the past it was highly regarded. I find Acid very intuative and it was really the first software i got my hands on, so im more familiar with it.

    is it lacking any functionality of the other apps? or is it just another to add to the pile of options?

    Thank you very much for all your guys help. You've really helped me clarify what my next steps will be in this crazy experiment known as life and money.
  11. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    About ACID, I would have previously said, "yes", there are things that you will need that you can't do in ACID, but now that they've added the multitrack recording stuff adn the new MIDI/VSTi stuff as well, it seems that the answer is "no". You could probably do some serious projects from start to finish in ACID.
  12. BobRogers

    BobRogers Well-Known Member

    Let me give the pro PT side of the argument. (I have a PT 002 setup, and bought it as my first DAW.)

    First, the PT/Digi way of doing things is kind of like the Mac side while the other systems are kind of like PC. PT has the advantages (and the disadvantages) of any self contained system. It's pretty easy to set up. The components go together easily. But as David said, you have limited choice.

    Second, there is a lot more support for PT than there is for any other system that I'm aware of. Book, manuals, tutorials, on line courses.

    So in my situation it made a lot of sense. I have a pretty demanding day job and I wanted to get to recording without spending a lot of time working on hardware/software interactions. I live in the sticks and wouldn't be able to get a lot of help learning any system locally. I wanted to make sure that if I got hung up on the learning curve someone could push me forward. I had enough money to invest in the system and was willing to pay extra for a system that was fast to set up and learn. (I charge for education - might as well pay for it too.) None of this may apply to you, but that's for you to decide.

    Remember, all of these entry level DAWs make a lot of compromises. The ones that work for you may not work for someone else.
  13. Fast2gg

    Fast2gg Guest

    im thinking im gonna go with this http://www.zzounds.com/item--MACONYX1620
  14. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Nice choice. Comes with Tracktion 2.
  15. Fast2gg

    Fast2gg Guest

    so now its between the Mackie Onyx (1220 or 1620) and the firepod.

    someone tell me which one to buy, i cant make decisions like this.
    I like the mackie simply because its got a mixer. i know the firepod has some "mixer software" but i think id prefer the physicality of the mackie.

    what about the pre-amps on the 2. This will be my only piece of hardware for a while, so id like it to be something reasonably good sounding, which of these 2 has the better pre's or will i not notice the difference being the nub that i am. :(
  16. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    I must say, I have the Onyx 800R and I like the pres and the conversion. However, the Firepod is quite nice as well.

    If you like the mixer interface, go for the Mackie. The tracktion software is decent too (I find it to be a tad clunky, but a lot of people like it!)
  17. Fast2gg

    Fast2gg Guest

    and with all these interfaces they "should" be able to talk with 3rd party software correct? aka acid?
  18. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Yes. The Mackie or the Presonus will talk with virtually ANY software (except for ProToools).
  19. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Well, don't concern yourself with the mixer. The mixer does not act as a control surface. In other words it is for input only.(so you'd still be mixing "in the box") In fact the eq does not go to disk unless you pay for the mod. People do seem to like the pres on the Onyx though.

    As far as which one is better. I don't honestly think you'd notice the difference anyway. A lot of people use the Firepods and have nothing but nice things to say about them.

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