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Putting the "Magic" into Guitar Tracks?

Discussion in 'Guitars' started by DPAKid, Feb 25, 2002.

  1. DPAKid

    DPAKid Guest

    So, many of you gave me great advice on how to capture some great drum tracks with a great drummer.
    Now, I've got a solid, groovin' rhythm section, but my guitar tracks lack that "magic" that makes them sound larger than life. There's no sparke; there's no love.
    I'm tracking through a fender strat (I've used this same guitar for thirteen years and it's a great guitar)
    --to a Fender Champ
    --to a Trident MTA Sig. Two
    --with a 57 & a 2' distant NT2
    --Into Nuendo via Delta 1010

    I haven't used any compression going in because all I have is a Behringer and a cheap presonus.
    I have waves and Sonic Timeworks compressors in the DAW, but I'm not sure what settings to use.
    The tune is reminiscent of the Cars' 'Just What I Needed"
    Dry, but slightly distorted.

    Any help is always appreciated from u guys. :tu:

    Allen
     
  2. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Go look and see if you have a compressor plug in with an external "Key" input.... (study how to send a signal to the Key 'in' fron an Aux send on your internal mixer...)

    Come back and tell me when you have done that...

    :)
     
  3. DPAKid

    DPAKid Guest

    Holy $*^t! :D

    You mean someone's gonna finally tell me how to use a key input!
    I'll get back to ya'

    Allen :tu:
     
  4. DPAKid

    DPAKid Guest

    Jules,
    I've got the Waves C1 comp that has a "sidechain" input, but I haven't yet figured out how to feed it a signal. I'll keep working on it. Let me know if you have any insights. :confused:
     
  5. ahyatt

    ahyatt Active Member

    If you want magic for guitar tracks, get a Joemeek Compressor.
     
  6. erockerboy

    erockerboy Member

    SALES WEASEL ALERT!!!!!
     
  7. Anel Paz

    Anel Paz Guest

    Hi :
    as a guitar player , what I can say is : get a good pre/comp ,you'll find the magic .
     
  8. drumsound

    drumsound Active Member

    On the C1 you have to select sidchain, it defaults to wideband. It is not a sidechain like an outboard unit. It's an internal sidechain that is frequency conscious and can be controlled by the little graph and the control "tabs." It can be a shelf or a bell shaped curve. What you are doing is telling the compressor what to compress and what to ignore, in terms of frequency.
     
  9. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Create an aux bus (mono) above the close miced drums... say it's aux bus 1

    start with the kickdrum aux send put the level right up to "0".

    Go to the C1 key input, click & hold and select the source for it to be aux bus 1

    mess with the compressor (on insert on the gtr channel) select a fast release, 9:1 ratio (aprox) and move the threshold down until each kick drum hit causes the gtr to sound like it has been drop kicked in the throat!

    used quite heavy on distorted gtrs this can give you an 'instant Sex Pistols" sound or a Smashing Pumpkins" surging grunge compressed effect.. trick is to set the attack (move from fastest back a little) and release tweak to taste .. to surge in and out sort of "in time" or in an attractive way, find that setting with it WAY exagerated... then back it off - A LOT. (I often set this up in private as it can cause panic to the artists during the early stages of 'set up')

    creep in a little feed from the snare and toms perhaps - but usualy just kick is fine / best.

    This gives me the 'club PA maxed out' sound, or 'sound of 'overdriven car stereo within an inch of it's life' sound...

    It simulates an intence mix pumping FX but is controlable..

    I often create a group for all rock gtrs and bass and do this trick to it with a stereo compressor with a side chain Key input as described above.....

    BTW if you hate thePistols or the Pumpkins you might hate it this FX, some folks cant stand it!

    It should sound GREAT on your just what I needed rhy gtr!

    :w:
     
  10. Bear's Gone Fission

    Bear's Gone Fission Active Member

    A different "fun with compression" trick, maybe not that useful here, is to have the vocals as the sidechain input for compression of your distant mic. The guitar roars a bit more and gets more spacious as there is room in the mix for it, but only the tight close mic'ed sound is there to compete with vocals. Fletcher explains the trick pretty well at the Police Blotter section of the Mercenary site.

    Bear
     
  11. gie

    gie Guest

    I own a VC1Q wich I happen to use a lot when tracking electric guitars.
    I always find myself using a medium/slow attack and a very fast release on the VC1Q, with just 2 to 4 Db's of Gain Reduction...
    What settings do you find usefull??
     
  12. Bear's Gone Fission

    Bear's Gone Fission Active Member

    Whatever sells them. Mr. Hyatt is the US distributor for Joe Meek. Since he gives an endorsement of his own product with no disclaimer of his financial interest, his endorsement is of little value. I'd believe it if disinterested individuals acheived good results with the product, but this verges upon snake-oil sales tactics.

    Bear
     

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