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questions about autotune

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by recording newbie, Oct 30, 2011.

  1. recording newbie

    recording newbie Active Member

    OK, I have a Roland VS-1680 which I've learned how to use. I want to try to use autotune for vocals. I know they have a module but it they don't make it anymore and it's too expensive to find.

    I'd like to know how exactly I could use a standalone Autotune box with that recorder and if there's one recommended that's worthwhile and can be bought cheaply used.
     
  2. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Auto tune is a VST plugin. It works within your DAW. If you sing close to pitch it won't sound like a robot but if you sing like most of the crap on the FM dial you'll sound metallic. Not Metallica who sang before Autotune. A VST plugin that works in a much more organic fashion is Melodyne manufactured by Celomony.
     
  3. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    Check out the vocal pitch correctors in pedal form from TC Helicon.
     
  4. recording newbie

    recording newbie Active Member

    How would either of those work in context of something I've already recorded on the VS-1680 ?
     
  5. bouldersound

    bouldersound Real guitars are for old people. Well-Known Member

    Loop out through the pedal and re-record it to another track?
     
  6. recording newbie

    recording newbie Active Member

    thanks. melodyne was software only. I need a hardware product. Looking at TC helicon
     
  7. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Or go to a vocal teacher. Or import your recorded tracks into a computer and use Reaper to mix/autotune/etc.

    More people would be helped by learning to sing or play their instruments than jacking with Autotune. Just my opinion as a musician.
     
  8. recording newbie

    recording newbie Active Member

    well I can sing but a lot of the producers around are very nitpicky from using autotune themselves so they are critical, I'm thinking just go with the flow and be precise.
     
  9. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Most "producers" have been to too many rock concerts and clubs without ear plugs and have listened to too much pop crap and just assume that Autotune MUST be used. I guess that is true if you want to be T-Pain or whomever is similar. Using Autotune as a purposeful effect is another story and is an artistic (or autistic) decision. Cher for instance actually can sing but used obvious instances of AT in several songs as an effect. Most "hip hop" and "pop" musicans that swear by Autotune couldn't vocalize their collective a$$e$ out of a cardboard box with a map.

    Sorry. Just a little rant. I'm so tired of groups that sound like crap on stage unless they are lip syncing to their grossly over post-produced "recordings."

    Carry on.
     
  10. audiokid

    audiokid Staff

    I didn't realize we had this thread going here while I'm on another thread just dreaming away about autotune.
    Maybe this is why I can't make vocals sound like top 40 autoturd. In the demo I was trying to get it to sound like that for a "youthful client" and it barely changed my voice the way expected. Thanks John, this gives me the heads up on who to target the next time. I'll make sure they can't sing!
     
  11. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Well Chris, you could just use Melodyne to lower the pitch of your vocal track by 10% and then run it through Autotune.....that'll fix it right up!
     
  12. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Guest

    I think some of the folks missed the question? I believe this person is looking for a live performance device, that's a hardware device. Yeah, they make that. I have an early one and there are others that work in real time, so to speak. Real-time in this case means fairly low latency. So it's coming out a few milliseconds after you sing it. But it's close enough in time, you'll still be on the beat. And since it actually can take you a few milliseconds on to the back side of the beat, you'll never sound like you're rushing. They come under numerous names I think mine is a Vocalist by DOD? Something like that. It's in a drawer just inside the control room underneath junk, basically where it belongs. But it has its own microphone input and can be used live, plugged into a PA system. It actually has some pretty cool presets that actually allow for real-time harmony vocals created from your single input. But you certainly have to know what key and you can change the key real-time but it could also be changed via MIDI. And the newer ones sound less electronic than the older ones that were more first-generation like mine. And it really all comes down on how much money you got? One of these devices could set you back a whole year's worth of singing lessons. Maybe two?

    I know how to sing... so I don't. My mother was an opera star and that's just too much competition.
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     
  13. recording newbie

    recording newbie Active Member

    No I want to use it to fine tune recorded vocals.
     

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