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Rapper, microphones for Rap Vocals

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by Waydo, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. Waydo

    Waydo Active Member

    Hey everyone I'm Wade, I'm 15 and a rapper, My voice is on the deeper side, I'm looking for a <$500 Condenser Mic to record my vocals with.
    I have a pop filter, Blue Icicle preamp and a Vox Soundguard to accompany the mic. Also I have researched for countless hours reading forums and reviews and understand that each mic sounds a little different for each person. But Some feedback would be much appreciated with what mic I should go for as I'm very confused as I have a few to choose from, here they are.

    MICROPHONES

    - Blue "BlueBird" (Seems to be a trusted mic and reputable brand - Solid reviews especially for Vocals) RRP $299

    - Rode NTK (Once again a trusted company and solid reviews) Amazon $499

    - MXL Genesis (Marshall Electronics a legendary name in Audio + Looks Amazing! + Great Reviews) Amazon $500

    - Audio Technica 4040 (AT 4040) (Classy Black Finish- Audio Technica respected brand - Rave reviews) Amazon $300

    - MXL V67G (Another marshall mic - Meant to sound as good as mics 3x the price!) [Not a big deal but looks kinda ugly.] Amazon $100

    - Rode NTA1 (Great Rode mic - Tried and tested ) Amazon $260


    If theres any other mics you think I should buy instead please tell me, but adding more options will only make it more confusing for me
    So also make sure to mention which mics I should eliminate from the list would greatly help too. I'm eager to start my rap career and
    start making some quality music.
     
  2. Boswell

    Boswell Moderator Distinguished Member

    Have you ruled out dynamic mics? Before including condensers on my list to consider, I would want to know how I sounded through a Shure SM58 and an EV RE20.
     
  3. Waydo

    Waydo Active Member

    Hi, I'll definitely consider it. Do you think I should get the shure over all of the above condensers? Even for a rapper?
    To be honest though, I'm not really feeling the cardroid mic. Id prefer to just stick to condensers for now.
    I havnt ruled them out as I have read about the Shure SM58 and that it was a studio MUST HAVE, but for the
    time being I was hoping for a condenser and basically What one you think would be the best or a top 3 even, Appreciate your input!

    Wade
     
  4. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Most "rappers" don't use a condenser either in the studio or on stage. The two most used microphones for this purpose are the SM58 and SM7b with the beta 58 thrown in for weak voices. The RE20 is also extensively used for this as well as it's heavy duty application of radio/tv/voice overs. I love an RE20 on nasty saxophones too.

    Anyway, why is it you think you need a condenser? Most pictures you see a rapper using one are staged pure bs.

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  5. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    All the mics you listed are "cardioid", including the dynamics that Bos intelligently recommended. "Cardioid" is a pick-up pattern, "condenser" is a type of transducer that microphones use. It's hard to believe that you have done any REAL research on the subject if you don't know that basic fact. Reading hyped music reviews and quotes from catalogs is no homework, there are plenty of articles - legitimate ones - out there to aid your research. BTW, a condenser (especially an
    LDC- look that one up in your Funk & Wagnalls) is one of the last mics I'd use on a close-talkin' fire-breathin' rapper.
    I have an RE-20 and a Shure SM7b that handle that chore much better. And the 58 will do circles around a Blue...
     
  6. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Well-Known Member

    When I was your age, I was at the beginning of my learning curve. It's understandable why you think you'd want a condenser microphone. But like everybody else's indicating a dynamic microphone, I too would recommend the same. You may have also seen other rappers onstage and they take that SM58 metal ball topped microphone and completely grip their hand around the entire ball. That is completely awful sounding that way. That's horrible microphone technique. That's an amateur who has made millions of dollars and never learned how to work the microphone properly. If you want bad sound from a microphone hold it like the other rappers do on TV because, YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID. So don't do that. Get that SM58, you'll be really glad you did. You can use it to hammer nails and it will still continue to work. You can drop it on a cement floor and it will still continue to work. If you do that to a condenser microphone, you're pretty much guaranteed you will have to replace it. It doesn't matter if you've heard the difference between a condenser microphone and a dynamic. There is most definitely a difference. It's the difference you don't need and a difference you don't want. You need something you can use live, in the studio or in your home. And the SM58 is the way to go. There is a reason why you see them on television so often. They are fabulous microphones we can't live without. Every drum, every guitar and virtually every vocalist uses that microphone and for good reason.

    At 15, I wanted to learn from the pros and I had a great mentor. Here we are for you.
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     
  7. mberry593

    mberry593 Active Member

    +1 for the SM58.
     
  8. CoyoteTrax

    CoyoteTrax Well-Known Member

    I agree with most of what's been said so far and feel a 58 would serve you perfectly well here and save you quite a bit of cash.

    Also consider EV's N/D767. It has a smoother midrange with silkier high's and enhanced lows (without getting "boomy"). Just a smidge more cash but a smoother sound IMO. It's also built to handle some tough conditions, I used one live for years until it was stolen and I can admit I rather abused it at times.
     
  9. moonbaby

    moonbaby Mmmmmm Well-Known Member

    Is this the "Coyote Trax" who used to post here a few years ago and dis-a-friggin-peared way back when?
    WELCOME BACK!!!!!!!
     
  10. CoyoteTrax

    CoyoteTrax Well-Known Member

    Fer sher, it's me - yes. Hi MB, nice to see you and thanks for the warm welcome.
     
  11. Curbside Audio

    Curbside Audio Active Member

    I've used the BlueBird, NTK and NTA1 and I'd recommend any of those mics. All three sound great. At that point it's just personal preference and which one you prefer. I have a soft spot for the BlueBird for some reason, so I'd probably go with that one if it were me. But the Rode mics sound awesome too.
     
  12. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    You've used those for rap?!? Live?!? Not professionally I'd say.

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  13. Curbside Audio

    Curbside Audio Active Member

    Wait, are you looking to use these for live performances or for recording? If it's for live work, then I wouldn't suggest any of them. If they're for recording, then I'd say any of those three for sure.

    As for eliminating any mics. Nothing against them, but I'd eliminate the MXL mics and the Audio Technica. They're more of on the lower end spectrum. If that's all that's within your budget, then they're not bad mics. But if you can afford to pay for something a little above that price range, then I'd go that route. When it comes to audio gear, you get what you pay for.
     
  14. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    Even for studio work none of those would be normally used for rap or any sort of heavy vocals. Again the SM7 and SM58 are standards for a reason. A condenser will cause more problems than it could possibly solve in this scenario.

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  15. Curbside Audio

    Curbside Audio Active Member

    Any decent Tube Condenser mic will sound perfectly fine on a hip hop vocal track. Heavy voice or not. For live sound, yeah, the SM7 and SM58 are the way to go. But for studio work, no way.
     
  16. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    That would go against what is actually used for rap in the big studios then, where 95% of the time a condenser would NOT be first choice.

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  17. Curbside Audio

    Curbside Audio Active Member

    Agree to disagree. I've seen plenty of hip hop artists use a Tube Condenser. I don't see this kid being able to afford a nice Ribbon mic. That's crazy talk.
     
  18. TheJackAttack

    TheJackAttack Distinguished Member

    A ribbon isn't being recommended. The recording industry standard for pop/metal/rap/etc is being recommended. I've been in the studios on both sides of the glass to observe this as best practice.

    Yes I could use an ldc or ribbon but the standard choice and industry choice would be a moving coil dynamic meaning the SM58 or SM7 or even the RE20.

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  19. RemyRAD

    RemyRAD Well-Known Member

    I think most hip hop/rappers would kill a ribbon microphone in mere seconds? Firstly, most don't understand proper microphone technique or usage. Slobbering too close to a condenser microphone doesn't work well either. And that's why, dynamics are really the way to go with a SM 7/7B, 58 with additional pop filter of foam instead of those nylon stocking lollipops.

    Sheesh
    Mx. Remy Ann David
     
  20. Devious_Records

    Devious_Records Active Member

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