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Re-Amping question

Discussion in 'Recording' started by Guitarfreak, Sep 3, 2009.

  1. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    I just attempted my first reamp yesterday and needless to say it failed miserably. I sent the signal out of the FireBox output 3 and ran my guitar cable straight into my amp input. No matter what I did I couldn't get enough gain on it. It just sounded slightly overdriven. Did I do something wrong? Do I need a DI box between the interface and amp???
     
  2. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    What you need is something like this between your DAW and your guitar amp.

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProRMP/

    It's the opposite of a DI. This will get it back to the right level.

    Some suggest you can get the same results with a DI and the appropriate gender adaptor for the XLR.
     
  3. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Sweet thanks Hawk. This doesn't do DI as well does it? Pretty one-purpose box right? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just wondering. Can it be used for anything other than re-amping?
     
  4. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    A dedicated re-amp box like that gives you a level control to help match the sensitivity your guitar amp likes.

    They've got a nice kit with an active DI and the Reamp box, but that's gonna hit the wallet pretty hard.

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ReampKit

    In a completely passive box, the transformer doesn't care which way the signal is converted. (But the XLR will be the wrong gender to use as a direct box)

    The ProRMP has an output control, so I can't testify if it will interfere with running the signal through it backwards.

    An active re-amper like the X-Amp is usually only going to be good one direction. Recorder > X-Amp > Marshall.
     
  5. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    Here is an option for a DIY version that can save you some dough:

    http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/equipment/459195-50-d-i-y-reamp-box.html


    And here's one that gets good reviews, if you're looking for something upscale.

    (dead link removed)
     
  6. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    That agrees with everything I believe about electronics. Things built for one purpose will result in higher quality than something built to be a "jack-of-all-trades." Thanks Hawk.

    Now this has been discussed here before but I just want to recap on what was told to me:

    It is unnecessary for me to own or use a dedicated DI box because if I plug my guitar straight into the neutrik input on my FB it will result in the same or very similar sound.
     
  7. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    BTW, if that was unclear let me clear it up because I have a tendency to speak half sentences. Just so you don't think everything you said went in one ear and out the other...

    My last post was an acceptance of everything posted before it and a transition to a new topic. It was actually a question although it could have been presented in a clearer way. The underlying question was "is this true?"
     
  8. fiast

    fiast Guest

    little labs red eye ..
     
  9. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    It seemed rhetorical - so I left well enough alone.

    I agree, give me a bowie knife and a can opener over a swiss-army-knife anyday.
     
  10. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Too true man :D

    In your personal opinion do you think that I would gain anything from budgeting for a dedicated DI unit as well as the reamp box?
     
  11. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    If you're sitting right next to your interface I can't see why you would need a DI.

    To my way of thinking, a quality pre-amp would be a better investment. Even though it's 10 x more expensive than a generic DI, the GrooveTubes Brick is a versatile pre that would act like a DI on steroids. It would have lots of uses besides just matching impedance. And the same is true of a number of other popular pres.
    should
    BTW: the LilRedEye, will work as a DI and a Re-amp box. That should help offset some of the difference in price.
     
  12. soapfloats

    soapfloats Well-Known Member

    dvdhawk has made some fantastic suggestions...

    I'd like to get a Brick just for its DI applications.
    And having a reamp box w/ a variable output would be nice too.

    However, a passive DI will do the job. And I consider a quality passive DI box an essential to any studio.

    Ultimately, you have to look at your budget, your needs, and your future budget/needs.

    There's things I've bought that got a lot of use at first, but don't get touched at all now (cheap condensers/ribbons).
    Some that get used a little but I couldn't go without (DI boxes, pencil condensers that are a must for acoustic, a good ribbon mic for female vox or gui amp, etc).
    And there's others that have been used from the moment I got them (Interface, preamps, select mics).
    Tough decisions, in retrospect. But when I held out for something better, I was never disappointed.

    It's all about decisions - hopefully we can help you make the right ones.
     
  13. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Well I've re-read over this thread ten more times. You guys should be paid for what you do on this site. No, seriously, I mean it.

    Keeping with the one item per function mantra, I think that I will be fine with just the reamp box that was first suggested. It seems to be the only thing that I truly "need" at this point in my career.

    I think I get where you are coming from Soap, but without having truly been there myself I don't really know. Do you guys have anything left to add before I pull the trigger?
     
  14. jg49

    jg49 Well-Known Member

    I've useda couple of different companies reamp boxes but I liked this one the best, it has a gain trim control that I found real handy.
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProRMP/

    Did you ever figure out the popping problem you were having in your monitors?
     
  15. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    I am attributing it to highly-compressed and/or badly encoded audio. It seems to be the same sound you get when you listen to a song/video on youtube without pressing the HQ button. It seems that some songs annoy my speakers at any volume while some things don't at all.

    I turned my monitors up today after leaving them low and letting them break in since I got them and WOW. They've got some kind of power, really carry too. The song that I played didn't give them any problem even at %75 of my interface's ability. Play was clean and undistorted. I am going to leave it alone for now. But I emailed KRK just to put my name in their system and so they don't pull that "well, you didn't tell us until after the warranty period was over" horseshit. Thanks for your concern jg.
     
  16. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    OK, so my Radial reamp box just came in and I am guessing that I need an adapter for it? XLR male to male. That's pretty gay (pun intended?)
     
  17. dvdhawk

    dvdhawk Well-Known Member

    Your reamp box should be the correct gender for it's job.
    In my case I need a TRS out of my DAW, so my cable is TRS on one end and XLR male on the other - then obviously 1/4" TS to the amp.

    Don't forget you are connecting it to one of your DAW's outputs. (XLR or 1/4")

    XLR's are pretty universally designed so the source is a panelmount male and the destination is a panelmount female.
    In most cases than a standard cable will do that without any gender reassignment.

    (not that there's anything wrong with that... ) Seinfeld
     
  18. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    Well I went to GC today to pick up the cable and surprisingly the guy in Pro Audio didn't try to BS me. So props to him if he is out there reading this.

    Anyway, I have a problem. I have it all connected and I'm pretty sure that I have it routed correctly within Logic, but I can start a thread over there about routing if you'd like, just to get a second opinion. I have the file playing and it's not hitting the amp as hard as it should.

    The volume is, I'd say, quite louder than the level that my guitar usually gives it, but something is wrong to the effect that I can't get a normal amount of gain from my amp. It is much too low. I thought that this problem would be fixed by just having the reamp box. I must be doing something wrong. Yes, I read the manual :D
     
  19. Guitarfreak

    Guitarfreak Well-Known Member

    OK, problem solved. I kept the output attenuation low on the box because it's late over here. I was under the impression that it would not affect the tone. After a while of tweaking I said screw it and cranked it, and the gain came back. I guess there is no room for 'quiet' in Rock n Roll after all :D

    Great box, thanks for the recommendation guys. That ground lift is a great feature, really cuts down on noise. Construction seems very sturdy. I like how it allows you to choose the preferred output level, even though from this point on I will most likely keep it jacked. I'll admit, it's a bit smaller than I thought it would be though. It's not the size of the box, it's how well it does its job :cool:
     

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