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Reaction to PTHD? Forward planning / budgeting / timetab

Discussion in 'Recording' started by anonymous, Jan 19, 2002.

  1. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    After the release of PT/HD I am interested in stuff in the following order..

    1) The Dangerous two bus http://www.dangerousmusic.com/2-bus.htm#AAintro (or those Neve line amps - The Pure Path® 'Driver in a Box' (DIB) that can be configured as a summing unit if ganged together) & keeping Pro Control & both PT / Apogee Mix + rigs (one a racked hire rig) in other words finally getting round to doing that outside summing THANG...! (bah humbug! )

    2) Sell IT ALL and get - a Fairlight Dream set up - (16 faders / one EQ/Compressor tweak pannel) - Is the hardware ready yet? Or is it still just the "photoshop myth" immage they use in the ads?

    3) Upgrading to PTHD (always hoping Apogee can figure out a direct hook up to the PTHD cards, or not...ho hum - ) - and still run the Dangerous or Neve summing thang.

    I can do 1 THEN 3 sometime later perhaps, once PTHD plug in development is more advanced... That would be the most 'trendy path to take as far as my clients are consearned..

    The first idea certainly jives with my accountants advice!

    I can't afford the Neve BCM10 side car full of Neve 1073's (nor do I have space for it) to sum PT - so for a few grand I can get some wacky rackmount units..

    THATS what I will do..

    The all in one system IS a cool thing:

    a) Pro Control
    b) Failight Dream
    c) Studer, ssl, bearded repair man crawling round your studio on all fours on your supposed 'day off' spare part nightmare bank manager tape stock cashflow hell system

    In essence I have not exausted the methods available to make my PT / Apogee Mix + rig sound it's best, I was kinda hoping PTHD would be the emergency axe to smash through the glass ceiling I felt / feel I have reached 'doing it in the box' (all in PT mixing) I am informed by the tech heads that give Digi a hard time - that the strides forward sonicaly MIGHT be hard to actually hear!!! So onto alternate ways to skin the provebial cat.

    Anyone wanna sell a mix farm or two? (Sony baby the Sony!)

  2. Greg Malcangi

    Greg Malcangi Member

    Hi Jules,

    I am informed by the tech heads that give Digi a hard time - that the strides forward sonicaly MIGHT be hard to actually hear!!!

    Yep, that's the bottom line isn't it? Basically, the higher end your current PT system is, the less of an improvement you'll hear with the new system. That still doesn't let you personally know how much better it will be though.

    I don't know about you Jules but I'm going to leave it until the dust settles and then try to set up a comparative test. Unlike you though I don't have any particular problem with the summing bus so my decision is a lot simpler.

  3. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    "I'm going to leave it until the dust settles and then try to set up a comparative test."

    That would be great..

    the issue for me would have to be higher than 32 tracks 44.1k on a Mix +


    The same on PTHD 96k

    Dithered and or SRCed down to 16bit 44.1 for CD.


  4. Irene

    Irene Guest

  5. Greg Malcangi

    Greg Malcangi Member

    Hi Renie,

    Obviously I'm going to test them out and leave enough time to take advantage of the upgrade offer. Exactly when though I'm not sure.

  6. Irene

    Irene Guest

    Budgetting: I've read that Waves are charging $100 per plug to upgrade to HD. I suppose that's reasonable but I hope some come cheaper!

  7. davemc

    davemc Guest

    Well McDsp are free as Colin is always great.
    Digi stuff should be free I think.
    All I got from BF was upgrade will cost, not when.
    Read on DUC Wave Mechanics will cost $100 per plug maybe they got mixed up with waves.
    Do not have any waves stuff.
    Only other stuff I have is Sony, Duy and autotune.

    Yes I am mad I ordered the HD3 with the 192k, I wanted to upgrade my 882 and 1622 for a while but was told to wait(lucky) also wanted another mixfarm, but only 3 pci slots.

    Yeah really thought of buying a baby neve and a MCI 24 track and sell the PT system to get it. Although spent yesterday cut and pasting to fix 12 songs, never could do that on tape quickly.
    Although I still do not get the bucks out of my control24 as I still reach mouse first control24 second.
  8. Irene

    Irene Guest

    Cool news on the Virus front:

    speaking for access, the manufacturer of the virus plug-in, our update price
    will be roughly $100 USD as well. the good news is that users actually
    update to the Virus|Indigo TDM plug-in (announced on NAMM 2002).

    so there will be more voices (20 voices per dsp on a HD system) and plenty
    of new features (reverb, phaser, channel distortion, 3rd oscillator, new FM
    modes, envelope follower etc.)

    the indigo plug-in will be mix compatible as well (with less voices of

    kind regards,

  9. Hardnox

    Hardnox Guest

    I'm going to a HD demo tonight in San Francisco. Question aboutplug-ins If you bought bundles such as "Waves Gold TDM" does anybody have a clue if manufacturers will give "Bundled" upgrade pricing? I also have the Wave Mechanics bundle. Anybody have any idea? I'm thinking of upgrading in a few months. More track count, more DSP! I hope upgradingplug-inswon't dent the budget 2 much.
  10. stedel

    stedel Guest

    WELL!! Basically I'm v. glad that I waited to see what the new Pro Tools was like before making an investment decision.
    a. Cheaper than most people predicted.
    b. From some accounts the quality of Digi's interfaces seem pretty nifty - check out the number of I/O's available on their boxes (including 8 channels of "pristine quality analog I/O") (They also have a nice sleek design).
    c. Intigued to see how their new "clocking" unit compares to say the Nanosync.

    I dunno Julian. I was checking out the Neve "Pure Path" stuff also, but I too am going to wait "until the dust settles" and see how the new HD system checks out. How do you think things like the Fatso figure in the new Tools?Is it still needed for that analog "rounding" and compression, - maybe the extended frequency is going to be kinder to our initial sound going in, taken that Digi gives us tools to help with the input. Anyway, I'll be able to afford one without
    selling the family so bejabbers it's not too bad!!!!
  11. There's a demo here in Colorado mid February I'll check out but the upgrade prices & features make it fairly compelling for me. Nice easy way to integrate my 2 Mytek 24/96 converters in to a pair of 192s and it'll give me enough ins to do a whole freakin big band into pro tools at 96k.

    I do plenty of location classical stuff with the Mytek into a DA78 and now I can take it up to 96k, I'm pretty pschyched about that. I don't think the benefit will be as obvious with loud, thick multitrack mixes but I'm bettin that for real ambience and stereo techniques it'll sound pretty good. I am lookin forward to the the increase in dsp horsepower at 44.1 as well.

    June 30th ought to be just about enough time to scrounge up the dough to move from Mix+ to HD2. I'd be surprised if Waves charged anything for the upgrades and I'm not a bit surprised BF is...

    I've played with the sony eq for a couple of days now... sheeeeeit! What a beautiful bit of code! If there are any fellow educational users out there interested they do offer an ed discount... :D :D :D

    Hopefully the next software update will bring more substantive changes that will fill the hearts of Alsihah with great joy. If not I think we will have gotten a decent incremental improvement at what for Digi are pretty friendly prices. I for one will not miss the 888-24! :cool: :cool: :cool:
  12. Greg Malcangi

    Greg Malcangi Member

    you bought bundles such as "Waves Gold TDM" does anybody have a clue if manufacturers will give "Bundled" upgrade pricing?

    Hi Danny, although I don't know about this specific example, in the past Waves have always done upgrades as both individual plugs and as bundles. I'd be very surprised if this wasn't the case this time around.

    Intigued to see how their new "clocking" unit compares to say the Nanosync.

    Hi Stedel, haven't seen you around for a while? There again it's the middle of summer where you are so you've probably been down the beach! :)

    The Sync I/O is not a dedicated masterclock in the sense that the Nanosyncs is. It is more for providing sync to time-code, like the USD, which this unit is designed to effectively replace. The new PT hardware provides some interesting new clocking features, Loop Sync for example. What this will mean in the real world I don't yet know but I do have couple of questions and tests I'd like to try out:

    1. Will Loop Sync eliminate the jitter caused by daisychaining or will you still get better results from giving each piece of gear it's own dedicated feed, from say a Nanosyncs?

    2. Is the basic clock in the 192 more accurate/stable than the clock in the Nanosyncs. If the answer is yes then we sort of come back to question "1". Is it better to daisychain this clock or slave a Nanosyncs to the 192 and use the Nanosyncs as a distribution amp?

    I don't have the equipment to measure the jitter differential, all I can go on is a listening test. If you want, I'll let you know what I find out, either myself or from third parties?

  13. stedel

    stedel Guest

  14. anonymous

    anonymous Guests

    Glad you are out of danger Stedle mate!

    "How do you think things like the Fatso figure in the new Tools?Is it still needed for that analog "rounding" and compression"

    I think the Fatso & Cranesong Hedd are just two great tools for digital recording IN GENERAL and aren't limited to Pro Tools 'band aid' duties. George Massenburg uses a Fatso all the time on mixing, recording - whatever..

  15. stedel

    stedel Guest

    Yeah thanks Jules...things got pretty scary down here.
    Your comments re the Fatso and hedd Cranesong stuff seem to be echoed by others who use them. Seems they help solve a lot of the frustrations people had...savin' me dollars and cents for them as I speak.
    BTW have you read Greg's post on the PT Forum re
    clocking? If Digi's claims re the quality of its
    I/O units are true (better than the Nanosync etc) then users definately seem to be the winners. However we'll see how long that dust takes to settle that people talk about...hopefully it will shorter than the years it took re confusion/criticisms of their mixer! And yes, I agree, people should visit that link you recommend re Nika posts etc. Do it folks!!!
  16. Greg Malcangi

    Greg Malcangi Member

    Hi Stedel,

    Glad to hear you didn't fry! :) Actually your bushfires even made the BBC news over here! Sounds like some of it was caused by arson, you haven't been running your 888s too hot again have you? :)

    << BTW have you read Greg's post on the PT Forum re clocking? >>

    There's some strange stuff on that thread from Dave Clementson. I've just about given up trying to understand exactly what is going on! I'll wait until I upgrade and then I'll do some listening tests to see if I can hear a difference using different clocking techniques. Until then I have absolutely no idea which is the best way to clock PT|HD! What's that dance song? - "Clueless, absolutely clueless"!!

  17. stedel

    stedel Guest

    Nope it wasn't any 888's ...but it gave a new meaning to burning a CD!!

    Well it's probably good for 50's revival dance music (the "jitter"-bug)!

    It seemed for some people there is another link in the "altered signal" stage..ie. just as valves alter the signal then people like some of the innacuracies in clocking etc. Or did I get it wrong? Damn, sooner or later somebody is gonna have to plug it in and just go
    "Well I heard the news, there's good clockin' tonight" - (with apologies to Link Wray)

    BTW I see the good 'ol UK's been getting a bit of a lashing with storms...ah the weather & the new Pro Tools...interesting times (as the Chinese say).
    Kind regards
  18. Jim Chapdelaine

    Jim Chapdelaine Active Member

    Hey Julian,
    Drop me an email. I'd like for you to see and add your input to our Apogee vs Pro Tools debate web site. It should go up this week but I'd love to get your thoughts on it.
    Jim Chap............
  19. Jim Chapdelaine

    Jim Chapdelaine Active Member

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  20. Ang1970

    Ang1970 Well-Known Member

    Chap, great site! Very well written, and petitioning Avid's shareholders is an excellent idea IMO.

    Please feel free to start a new thread about the petition in this forum to help generate more interest.

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