Real Reverb..or you can call it natural reverb

Discussion in 'Tracking / Mixing / Editing' started by shezan, Dec 7, 2005.

  1. shezan

    shezan Guest

    HEy guys...well this reverb thing may not be new i guess you guys pretty much know about this.... well i just did it last night... i just recorded one of my vocal in a stares exit ares in a building it was half metal and half concrete kinna thing and the reverb was long pretty much around 2.5 s i guess.. i just recorded it and and blended it with my real vocal...it sounded pretty full actually...
    i saw this technique in the making of Lord Of The Rings movie... i saw in the Special Dvd that has complete footage on how they did the post jobs...it was amazing...they recorded some sounds they designed for big monsters and played those in tunnels like long endless kinna tunnels with big speakers and recorded them then put 'em in the movie blending with the one wihout reverb...it sounds pretty amazing...
     
  2. pantonality

    pantonality Active Member

    Back in the 60s there was a song by a group Simon and Garfunkle (Paul Simon and Art Garfunkle) named the Sounds of Silence. It had a huge very distinctive snare drum sound because the snare was recorded in the stair well and it was gated (not as obviously as Phil Colins, but predating his use of that technique by a couple decades). So the concept isn't new, but putting it on vocals is certainly less common.
     
  3. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Check out Led Zeppelins first ablum, as well as Physical Graffiti. Both albums used natural reverb. Physical Graffiti in particular is an outstanding example of the ethereal qualities of natural verb. Love that album!
     
  4. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    This isn't really anything new, just the same old principal done in a different way.

    Older studios have reverb chambers that are specially designed treated and painted for generating reverberation. They are basically a room with a speaker and a microphone. You pump in the sound you want to add reverb to and you record that reverb.

    I guess unless someone is exposed to such a thing they don't know about it. New people coming into the industry may never even see a real chamber.
     
  5. shezan

    shezan Guest

    well i never said that its something new...i mentioned this rite in the biggining of my msg...just as i tried it on vocals. and it turned out to be good... other wise i do know that its an old technique still.. like the very first plate reveb devices which use to be big size of generators...and they pass the sound through them and sound resonate in nit and then they record that sound...so i think i know a bit too.... but still i just like to psot here wht i m doing so that i can get more ideas regarding wht i m doing and by the time next time i will be doing it i could add some more flavour in it..
    :)
    thanx guys
     
  6. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    I set up a reverb chamber once with an SRM-450 and a long hallway once. Worked well.
     
  7. hueseph

    hueseph Well-Known Member

    Sunn studios litterally had a chamber didn't they? Like a long empty hallway going nowhere?
     
  8. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    I read in an interview where Frank Zappa said his house had a big weird shaped concrete room, i.e. narrow, very long, and very tall with an angled wall on the back-- which he loved to use for reverb. The Motown guys had a reverb chamber up in the attic.

    http://www.motownmuseum.com/mtmpages/began2.html

    Anyone can do it really:
    http://www.mixthis.com/livechambers.html

    I read once that the drum reverb on When The Levee Breaks (Jon Bonham) was miced from a stairwall down the hall. :D
     
  9. McCheese

    McCheese Well-Known Member

    Many studios had reverb chambers of all different shapes and sizes.
     
  10. pr0gr4m

    pr0gr4m Well-Known Member

    sorry...when I was writing it I didn't want to sound like an ass...but in reading it, I see I completely failed in that endeavor.

    I just found the notion interesting that people just coming into recording may never see or hear a real chamber or plate reverb.
     
  11. Sanity Inn

    Sanity Inn Guest

    I posted this a while back, now that you mention one,

    build your own plate reverb

    (dead link removed)


    SI
     
  12. alimoniack

    alimoniack Guest

    A guy I know actually dug a large tunnel in his garden as a vintage style echo chamber. I have no idea if it sounds good, but if there's ever an air raid it might come in handy.
     
  13. thma

    thma Guest

    here is a cool link to an online natural reverb processor:
    http://tank-fx.satos.de/blueshoes-4.5/javascript/components/checkbox/examples/slider.html

    Those guys are using an old railway watertank to apply reverb to any material that you upload.

    Currently the site is available in german only, but there are some cool pics describing their aproach:
    http://tank-fx.satos.de/aufbau.html

    have fun!
    Thomas
     
  14. ggunn

    ggunn Guest

    I once shot video of a an acoustic guitar player in a concrete handball court. I deadened one lower three dimensional corner with rugs on the walls and floor, and sat him in a chair in it. I put one mic right in front of him positioned to catch his voice and guitar in balance, and I put another mic dead center of the court for reverb, and I mixed the two down to mono for the video. It sounded great!

    Didn't Pink Floyd once play on the Giza Plain (in Egypt) once and use the interior of one of the pyramids for reverb?
     
  15. alimoniack

    alimoniack Guest

    hey thma! that Tank FX in Oberhausen is awesome! I'm definitely gonna upload some samples and see what happens, what a cool idea. I think the dude might have spent a bit too much time alone in that spooky old tower though...

    Eeeek!
     
  16. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    ggun, could it be Pink Floyd "Live at Pompeii" you are thinking of? They played in the ruins of an ancient amphitheatre (as well as a studio in Paris). But I'm not sure how much natural reverb from that amphitheatre was injected into the actual recording.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000DBJDM/103-8540685-0487044?v=glance&n=130
     
  17. ggunn

    ggunn Guest

    No; after googling, I believe that it was supposed to happen but didn't.

    http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/ptr/pfloyd/news/m.html
     
  18. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    That was in a nearby arena, not inside a pyramid. There would have been no unique reverb to speak of. :cool:
     
  19. alimoniack

    alimoniack Guest

    Various people have used the ambience of the king's burial chamber in the great pyramid at Giza - Killing Joke & Nik Turner of Hawkwind actually recorded in there. Apparently the reverb is nice.

    A guy called Ernest Cholakis (some of you nerds will know who he is I'm sure), a serious reverb boffin who creates reverb convolutions from "impulse responses" (i.e. records & copies reverb qualities of specific locations and makes them into reverberation impulses), has also been in there fooling around and created a verb you can use with the Waves IR-1 and in Nuendo. Now you don't need to battle the Egyptian authorities to have some pyramid reverb, cool! He sells CD's.

    I hope the ol' dead king doesn't mind all this messing about with his ambience or the reverb may well be cursed...
     
  20. Calgary

    Calgary Active Member

    Interesting. I didn't know that, thanks for the heads up. :cool:
     

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