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Recording drums - only 2 good pre's

Discussion in 'Preamps & Processing' started by the_gid, Jun 14, 2005.

  1. the_gid

    the_gid Guest

    SO! I'm thinking of getting two decent mic pre's
    either 2 Bricks , or a sebatron VMP2000 to go with my firepod

    what parts of the drums should I record with the 2 good mic pre's (the rest will go through the firepod's mediocre/bland pre's

    Ususal set-up being:
    2xrack toms
    floor tom
    2 or 3 overheads

    I was thinking either kick+snare, or kick+overheads with 1 large diaphragm mic - would I be better off trying to blag the drums with just 2 mics - could I still get a decent sound?!

    any thoughts?? HELP? massively appreciated
  2. RandomGuest

    RandomGuest Guest

    Feb 10, 2001
    You will get a great sound if you do like you said in the quote above.
    1 condensor on the kick about 3 feet away and 1 foot off the floor. And 1 condensor mic over the entire kit perferably directly above the snare if possible. I use a boom mic to do this
    As far as the Brick Vs the Sebatron...sorry I don't own either :x
  3. the_gid

    the_gid Guest

    really? just two mics - will the drums have good definition??
  4. J-3

    J-3 Active Member

    Jul 20, 2004
    get cha two good sd condensors (omni if you have a good room) run them as overheads thru something like MP2NV etc. I'm afraid the seb would be too colored and the brick a little too murky for my taste. put one of those (brick or seb) on the kick and it sould sound pretty good. you must have killer drums , player, tuning, heads , room, etc or none of the above matters much. Fill in with snare top /bottom and tom mics when the budget allows. it helps to make the drums more in your face and punchy sounding . good luck.
  5. jamiey

    jamiey Guest


    Then, if that is all you are playing, overdub the rest with stereo overheads! :lol:

    Seriously though, it depends, some of the songs I'm hearing lately the Kick and Snare are VERY dominant, so the bleed may be enough, especially as alot of drummers bash the hell out of cymbals.
  6. the_gid

    the_gid Guest

    J-3 - i don't understand you in the slightest! sorry..

    other posts - taken due note of.. thanks very much I'll mess about with it!

    any ideas which is better.. 2x bricks or sebVMP2000 ??
  7. Reggie

    Reggie Distinguished Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    Although I like my wittle Brick, I don't imagine it is better than the Sebatron. Sebatrons provide much more flexibility. Which one actually sounds better is going to be much more subjective.....but probably the Sebatron again. :)
  8. dudge

    dudge Active Member

    Jan 28, 2004
    My favorite use for my Sebatron on drums is on the overheads with -30 pad and air switch engaged. It's nice and airy and big and softens transients a little. I also like it on kick set flat with -15 pad. I like my ISA 428 on kick also.
    I prefer the ISA 428 on snare unless I want a little less crackin' fatter snare.
    I really love the Seb the most on overheads though. :D
  9. RandomGuest

    RandomGuest Guest

    Feb 10, 2001
    It will sound fantastic. I mean it :!:
    2 good condensor mic's, and 2 high quality pre-amps.
    Sounds easy, and it is. And you will love it. :D
  10. BDFitz

    BDFitz Active Member

    Jan 7, 2003
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    Factors to consider:

    The sound you want. Listen and learn from how these drums were recorded and imitate. Example. If you want "When the Levy Breaks" you'd better have a big, tall room, some incredible overhead mics and killer compressors to emulate the sound on that track. Many have tried and failed but you may discover something new.

    A great sound can be had from only two mics but you'd better have a great drummer too. The drawback is very little (save EQ) ability to mix the drums later. If there's too much hi-hat, well that's what you have.

    With more mics comes more phase issues but you can usually remove 5 mics from a 9 mic set up. You can't add another on the low tom if you didn't get it.

    Limited to two mic pre's I would either:

    A. Use them on the Kick and Snare if going for a tight, fat K/S dominant mix. or

    B. Use them on the overheads "if" I had a great pair of O/H mics and wanted to blend but predominatley feature the room as opposed to the kick and snare separated.
  11. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Apr 24, 2001
    WOW.... have you even tried one????? The Sebs sound fantastic on drums!
  12. the_gid

    the_gid Guest

    cool... right -

    what about if i had 4 good channels?? think I am probably gonna go for the vmp4000e.

    Kick, Snare, 2 OH's ?
  13. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Apr 24, 2001
    That would be the obvious choice.

    It will depend though on how good your overheads are sounding, and how good your room is.
    Experiment a little. (you can experiment now with the Firepod pres.)
    Maybe even Kick, 2 OH and 1 mic a couple of feet above the rack toms but angled towards the snare.
    Or kick, OH and a room mic.
    Try a few different configs and see what floats your boat.

    Can depend on the type of sounds you want too.
  14. marsvolta

    marsvolta Guest

    Maybe a dumb question, but... ... what's the point using a pure Class A micpre like the Seb's before the Firepod converters and pres in the chain? Won't the signal just be degraded again when it meets the inputs of the Firepod?
  15. jamiey

    jamiey Guest

    The point is, you should be bypassing the preamps in the firepod. You should be able to connect the Sebatron outputs into the Firepod's line-leve inputs. I'm not familiar with the Firepod, but to do this it looks like you may need to enter it with TRS connection via the front panel.
  16. bounce

    bounce Guest

    4 channels, eh? Glyn Johns config anyone? Try this one. It's a hot potato!


  17. the_gid

    the_gid Guest

    "4 channels, eh? Glyn Johns config anyone? Try this one. It's a hot potato!



    -wicked, thanks for that!
    i missed the quote button - oh well
  18. vv-tim

    vv-tim Guest

    From what I can tell from the diagrams... it looks like the Line Level inputs are TS connections. I don't know if that makes a difference. Line level inputs for channel 1/2 are on the back, and the other 6 on the front are line as well (1 and 2 are instrument pre-amps).
  19. Markd102

    Markd102 Well-Known Member

    Apr 24, 2001
    Hey Gid
    Why don't you look at trading the Firepod for something like this.
    It would compliment a 4000e nicely. The inbuilt pres are extremely usable... very crisp and clean. And the conversion is probably superior to the Presonus too (subjective).
  20. the_gid

    the_gid Guest

    i don't think my chances of getting rid of it are that great to be honest.
    I got it off ebay and, though the warranty is not registered (and still isn't) -I was the only person who bid on it.

    I need to have my setup ready and working for 1st/7th July kinda time.


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