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Recording simultaneous vocals/keyboard

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by Sound Diagnosis, Mar 30, 2003.

  1. Is is possibe to record these two sources (stereo keyboard sequence/vocals via condenser mic) AT THE SAME TIME direct into my duplex sound card??

    Equipment available:
    *Dell p4 2.4g
    *Turtle Beach Santa Cruz soundcard (has 2 inputs...line-in and probably crap-ola mic input)
    *Marshall V67 LD condenser mic
    *Joe Meek V3CQ
    *Cool Edit Pro 1.0

    Thanks in advance! ~~~Lee
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    You only have 2 inputs, one mic and one pre amp.. I don't see haow you could record the keys in stereo at all, much less do that and record a vocal too. Sorry, If you had a small mixer that could accept the 2 line is and the one mic, you could mix all three together and record a stereo track out of that. .... Kurt
  3. Hi there, Kurt. The correct inputs I described was a LINE IN....and a crapola MIC IN. I guess you know what I meant as you have more experience than me I am sure! :s:

    What I have been doing, is first recording my mostly finished/EQ'D/mixed stereo sequenced tracks direct into sound card (line-in)...in STEREO...into Cool Edit. Then, laying down vocal tracks (with "half" headphone monitoring) was next. Easy, simple...but TWO procedures, nonetheless. I was wondering if this can be achieved with the existing soundcard that I have. Either yes or no I guess. I might need to get a "big boy" card like one of the Delta series. THAT'S gist of my inquiry. Just want to able to sit down at my keys to sing and record simultaneously...and get it all down on two tracks for starters, a single vocal track for me to work with, and of course the stereo keyboard sequenced track that might need a little work as well. I am sorry if I have been unclear. ~~Lee

  4. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    In that case you should be able to get the three in at the same time. Line stereo and mic in . There should be some kind of mixing facility for this in your OS software. Is this a Windows machine or a Mac? Kurt
  5. Hi Kurt. I stated I have a Dell. It ain't no Mac. LOL! I was told never to use the mic input due to the crappy pre-amp and circuitry involved. I am attaching some info from the manufacturer which might shed some light on this particular card. I really appreciate your help on this, friend. Hope this helps you to help wittle' ole' me.~~~Lee

    santa cruz "versa jack"

    santa cruz product detail

  6. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Sorry, I missed that. I didn't go back and re read the whole thread... Well, if you don't want to use that input then the only solution if you want to record more than 2 tracks at once is to get a new sound card. I don't know of any other answer. Perhaps a USB input would work in tandem with your soundcard, I don't know for sure... Check with OPUS in the computing forum.. If you like I could transfer this thread over there.. Kurt
    BTW: Having chickens is like being pecked to death by children.
  7. Could you please transfer this over, Kurt? Bill Roberts speaks VERY highly of OPUS, and I am sure OPUS will have a better idea of the capability of this particular soundcard, especially with the links submitted. Thanks very much once again! ~~~Lee

  8. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    We all think and speak highly of OPUS.. but don't let that influence you... :D Yes I will transfer the whole thread over to computing. I am sure that OPUS will be able to steer you in the right direction .. Kurt
  9. Shite, Kurt. I just noted your variation of my "chicken" line. Lovez it! Thanks for moving me over. No lost luggage. No stop-over to speak of. No crappy in-flight meals. I'll be hanging here having a smoke. :D Yes I will transfert he whole tread over to computing. I am sure that OPUS will be able to steer you in the right direction .. Kurt [/b][/quote]
  10. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    HA! Puff this Magic Dragon! Woohoo!!!

    HA HA HA HA HA!!

    Love it!!

    Ok, the mic input on a generic sound card such as yours is a different mic input than you think it is. It's made more for the head set microphones and not a diaphargm style mic as it does not allow you to increase the gain to a proper line input level!

    So, in the long run you can not do this with that type of sound card. Highly recommend you spend the extra money and get yourself a sound card that will be able to do what you need.

    Generic soundcards will not work to a certain point as it can not handle the true buffering that todays programs require with plug ins and VSTi's and so forth.

  11. Hi Opus. Thanks for responding. I am pretty aware about that nasty little mic input. :) I was still just wondering if you went to the links to the Turtle Beach website I included in my last post. This "versa jack" thingamabob is what has me thinking I may actually be able to record a stereo keyboard track (thru line-in) AND a separate mono vocal track (thru versa jack), negating even thinking about using the "mic" input. The reason for all of this is to be able to make a fairly high quality recording "on the fly" as inspiration "consumes" my artistic bowels. (playing/recording a keys/sequence AND singing/recording.... utilizing headphones as a monitor for both and hoping keybed noise will be negligable) Am I making sense, or am I trying to achieve the unachievable with my current setup? Thanks again, ~~~Lee.

    P.S. The dragon is in a 12-step fire-breathing reduction program. :)

  12. Blutone

    Blutone Guest

    Why don't you channel your fire-breathing toward more productive activities and roast some of those children...*AHEM*...I mean, chickens you have. lol

    I have three(children/chickens) that run around here like they have there heads chopped off, lol. Sometimes I wish I could breathe fire. :s:
  14. Blutone

    Blutone Guest

    You ain't right, man.
  15. You haven't even scratched the surface, Bluey!
  16. Opus2000

    Opus2000 Well-Known Member

    EEEEEK :eek:

    A dual way jack? Ouch! You want quality out of that? I don't think so man!

    Working for an audio hardware company I can tell you right off the bat that isn't going to happen with such a card like that!

    Your noise floor is going to be $*^t, your input dynamic range is going to be $*^t!

    Basically it is duable but with crap results!

    You want quality don't use that card. That's all I can say!

    It's a generic converter with no buffering help in any way!


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