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Recording soundfonts as audio in Sonar 2XL

Discussion in 'Sonar' started by Composer, Apr 16, 2004.

  1. Composer

    Composer Guest

    Hello,

    I am unable to record soundfonts as audio in Sonar 2 XL. I can record them as MIDI but can't convert them to audio. The audio track's "record" button is greyed out. I would appreciate it if someone could explain how to do it step by step. Thanks a lot.
     
  2. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    What's your audio setup? A Creative card?

    Are you able to record regular audio tracks?? (such as those from the card's line-in)
     
  3. Composer

    Composer Guest

    Hello Falkon,

    Here are the specs of my music system:

    Dell Dimension 4100, Intel Pentium 1.0GHz, 512 MB
    Aardvark Aark 24 audio card
    MidiSport 4X4 MIDI interface
    Roland XV-5050 synthesizer
    Roland U20 synthesizer
    Yamaha SY77 synthesizer
    Korg keyboard, 88- key (controller)

    Yes, I can record audio tracks in Sonar (using my synthesizers).

    I just started using soundfonts. And I use LiveSynth Pro to load them in Sonar 2XL.

    A Turtle Beach Santa Cruz computer soundcard is also installed, but I disabled it since I am using a pro audio card, the Aark 24.

    As I mentioned in the first post, I am able to record soundfonts and play them back, but unable to record them as audio.

    Thanks for your help.
     
  4. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Interesting... I assume the soundfonts actually make noise during playback? :D

    This is the way I do it... hope it helps.

    1) Create midi track. Record midi events into midi track

    2) Create audio track. Put Livesynth in the FX box for audio track

    3) Set midi track output as LiveSynth.

    4) (probably the step you're looking for) Select both tracks, and Edit-->Bounce to Track(s).

    Depending on the situation I may bounce the tracks to stereo or mono, with or without whatever effects I set up on the track and bus after Livesynth. Experiment!


    edit: I reread your post... I think a slight clarification would be that you record in midi, and play back the midi events THROUGH soundfonts, rather than record soundfonts themselves. I think that's where I got a little confused. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.
     
  5. Composer

    Composer Guest

    Hi again Falkon, and thanks for your help.
    I followed your instructions but it's not working, unfortunately. What happened was it recorded an empty audio track.

    I don't hear noises when I play back the MIDI tracks.

    This is how I am recording these soundfonts (as MIDI):
    1. I load LiveSynth Pro and browse for a soundfont I like and load it
    2. A LiveSynthPro track is created automatically
    3. I choose a MIDI track, set the output to LiveSynth Pro
    4. I start recording in this MIDI track, using my 88-key Korg piano
    5. If I want another soundfont, I load it and record it on another MIDI track the same way, etc.

    That's it.

    There's this beautiful Steinway piano soundfont that is astonishing, and also a flue. I recorded a short piano passage along with the flute and I loved how they flow together. Sounds really acoustic. I wish I could record the short passage as audio. I'd send it to you, but I can only play back the MIDI tracks. No way to convert to audio. Very unfortunate indeed.

    I never had this problem with my synthesizers (hardware, not soft stuff). Go to my web page and listen to the audio demos when you get a chance.

    http://hebscope.tripod.com/
     
  6. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Well, at least we've narrowed down the problem. Sound SHOULD come out when playing back the midi, since output already goes through LiveSynth. Once you can get sound to come out during playback, bouncing to track will result in an audio track.

    Check your solos and mutes... could be that.

    I'm assuming when you record, you're hearing the soundfonts being played with keypresses? Or do you record midi while using the Korg samples as monitoring?

    edit: Something just occured to me... what about the midi track channel and bank settings? Do those correspond to the SoundFont bank and channel settings within LiveSynth?
     
  7. Composer

    Composer Guest

    <Sound SHOULD come out when playing back the midi, since output already goes through LiveSynth>

    Yes it does.

    <Once you can get sound to come out during playback, bouncing to track will result in an audio track.>

    Yes, but like I said, the resulting audio track has no audio data in it (silence is recorded).

    <Check your solos and mutes... could be that.>

    I always do.

    <I'm assuming when you record, you're hearing the soundfonts being played with keypresses?>

    Yes, how else would I hear them? I don't compose music by "inserting" notes in a MIDI track. I record music live, by playing it. I only insert/delete/edit notes AFTER I have recorded a passage live.

    <Or do you record midi while using the Korg samples as monitoring?>

    The Korg keyboard is used as a master keyboard/controller, not as a source of samples. Because it's got 88 weighted hammer action keys, it allows me to "express" myself while playing/recording, let's say, piano passages. Again, I cannot just insert piano notes of a melody passage that's got 1,000 notes or so, one by one. There would be no "feel" to it.

    <edit: Something just occured to me... what about the midi track channel and bank settings? Do those correspond to the SoundFont bank and channel settings within LiveSynth?>

    Yes, the MIDI channels are set accordingly. For example, MIDI channel 1 would have bank 1 assigned to it, and MIDI channel 2 bank 2 assigned to it. The channel settings are also set accordingly.

    Thanks for your help.
     
  8. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Gotcha... this is really odd.

    For the life of me I don't see why it shouldn't work either - if you can hear the soundfonts in action while recording but not during playback... weird. If you ever get down to the source of the problem, tell me what it was.

    Sorry for not being more of a help.
     
  9. Composer

    Composer Guest

    < if you can hear the soundfonts in action while recording but not during playback... weird.>

    I said I do hear them in playback!

    Thanks anyway. Guess I'll go back to using my synthesizers. It just sucks that I can record and playback that great sounding Steinway soundfont as MIDI but can't convert it to audio..
     
  10. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    Well, sorry about the confusion then. I thought that by this sentence, you meant that there's no sound coming off Livesynth during playback.
     
  11. Composer

    Composer Guest

    No Falkon. I meant no "bad/background noise" because in your second post, you wrote:

    <Interesting... I assume the soundfonts actually make noise during playback?>

    I hear the soundfonts perfectly as I play them back on MIDI tracks after recording them. Again, it's being able to convert them to audio that I am trying to figure out.

    It could have something to do with the "Midi Instruments" under "Options" in Sonar, but this is just a judgement call I am making, so I don't want to mess with those settings unless I am sure it is the source of the problem.
     
  12. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    What version of SONAR are you using? Maybe you could send your project file over and I could take a look.
     
  13. Composer

    Composer Guest

    Hi Falkon, it finally worked!

    I had to mute ALL MIDI tracks BUT the one needing bouncing, then "Edit"--->"Bounce to Track". Not select the tracks that need to be bounced to audio. So it's the reverse process.

    The strange thing is that EVEN empty MIDI tracks HAVE to be muted. That was the catch. Thank you very much for your help, time, and patience.

    I recorded a 38-second piece (piano and flute). First time using SoundFonts. Tell me your e-mail address. I'd like to share it with you.
     
  14. falkon2

    falkon2 Well-Known Member

    LOL, I've never had to do that... but if it causes things to work over there, great for you!

    Unfortunately, I've not had an active email account since early 2002 (personal reasons... don't ask, and I will not have to bore you with details ;) ) but perhaps ICQ or AIM could work?

    How large is the file? If it's small enough, I could 'loan' a relative's email account.
     

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