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recording to miniDV through a Behringer UB1002 audio mixer

Discussion in 'Recording' started by chrisusvi, Dec 15, 2004.

  1. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    I am trying to record audio through a mic to my computer via the mixer (Behringer UB1002), but I can't figure out how to route it through the mixer to record...or my other option was to record to a miniDV deck. I attempted to record audio only to the deck but nothing plays back. Do I think I have the wiring correct. Need advice on the best way to record sound.
    To further help the understanding of what is happening I wanted to also update you on the current hookups. I have the mic plugged into the first (3) pronged mic plug; (control room out L+R) goes to the back of subwoofer; (tape out L+R) goes to audio input L+R on miniDV deck; (line in 9/10) goes to stereo splitter on back of computer in mic jack; (line in 7/8) goes to audio out on back of miniDV deck. I hope this helps paint a clearer picture to help come a positive result in getting the mic hooked up to capture the sound coming through the mic.
    Please help, thanks.
  2. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001

    does the miniDV need vision to stay in record mode ?

    line IN comes from where ? ... computer IN mic jack ???

    comes FROM ...
    .... don't have this fader up when recording audio TO the miniDV.

    confused myself ... what doesn't work ?
  3. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    the mic goes into the mixer and comes out of the computer speakers really nicely, but to capture that audio to miniDV tape is unsuccessful. It seems to be the "tape out" plugs aren't receiving the signal through the "audio input" on the miniDV recorder.
    What do you mean by 'vision' in your first comment?
    Thanks for the reply, by the way.
  4. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    outputs to inputs
    think about it.

    Mic into mixer and then the mixer feeds the miniDV.
    Can you use headphones to monitor the miniDV and check that audio is landing ?

    otherwise the mixer needs a seperate monitor input that is not part of the main mix. If the miniDV is on faders and recording the output it will end up in feedback.

    miniDV is a tape format for Video Cameras.
    vision(video) + left audio +right audio

    sometimes these units need vision on the input in order to get sync.
  5. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    Thanks for the advice, but how can I capture the audio coming through the mixer? What type of device is the best to use? It is ultimately going to video production software (Apple's Final Cut Pro) as a voice over accompanying a video track.
    Any thoughts? THanks.
  6. drumrob

    drumrob Active Member

    Jun 2, 2004
    Eugene, Oregon

    It looks like you have the cables set up correctly, so I would suggest you look at two things:

    1) Do you have the master stereo fader or knob on the mixer turned up? You may be able to hear sound with the control room out, but if the master is not up, no sound will be going to the "tape out" jacks. Also I don't know if the 1002 has a "Mute/control room" button on each channel like some of the Mackies do, but if you have the channel routed only to the control room, then you also would get no sound to the "tape out" jacks.

    2) There is usually an "input" setting on a miniDV deck. Are you sure you have it set to accept the correct input?

    Hope this helps. Have fun!

  7. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    Hi Drumrob,

    Thanks for the input to my problem.
    Would I need 1/4" jacks on the "main out" plugins because right now I don't have anything plugged into the "main out" jacks. would that be a possibility?
    The UB1002 doesn't have "mute/control room" button.
    I tried your suggestions and they didn't work. The first guy who responded mentioned that for it to record, it needs to have accompanying video track. Your thoughts on that.
    Overall, my only thought left is a "main out" plugin. What do you think?
  8. drumrob

    drumrob Active Member

    Jun 2, 2004
    Eugene, Oregon
    I am looking at a picture on Behringer's website of the 1002 as I write this. Anything that is routed to the "Main Outs" should also be going to the "Tape Outs" on the 1002. So there should not be a difference whether you run 1/4" cables from the "Main Outs" to the miniDV deck, or use the "Tape Out". I do not know which miniDV deck you are using, but typically it should not matter whether you are recording a video track, you should still be able to record sound. You might try hooking your camcorder up to the "Video In" just as a test, though. Just leave the lens cap on if you want, then you would have black video along with the audio tracks. Does your miniDV deck have level controls for audio? Are they turned up?

    I don't really understand the one hook up you mention in your first post. You say something is going from line 9/10 to a mic jack on your computer. But I don't see where you have an output going to your computer. Anyway, that's not the major point. If you have sound making it to the mixer (which it seems you do), then the 1002 is pretty straightforward. You should get sound to the "Tape Out" as long as you have the "Main Mix" fader turned up as well.

    Good Luck!

  9. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    Once again, your help is very useful.
    I have a Sony DSR-11 miniDV/DVCAM deck.
    All the plugs are occupied (just for the record). The deck doesn't have any audio level controls that I know of.
    I'll investigate your advise.
  10. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    Are Main Outs and Tape Outs both post master fader ?
    even though the mix going to both output is the same , they may not operate the same way with respect too master fader and solo's etc
    ... this is a side issue and your basic studio flow is more an issue here.
    One thing at a time.

    Line in ..... computer IN mic jack
    in to in
    I'm not convinced the cables set up correctly.

    The language you are using here is a recipe for misunderstanding and mistakes

    side question,
    does the 1002 have a Tape Return or Tape IN ?
    If you need a fast answer to your question then the other guys can probably help.
    If you want a longer answer and help with setting up a more permanent wiring for your FCP system I'm sure I can and want to help.
  11. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    Thanks for your input again Kev,

    The picture you supplied is the unit I have.
    What I meant by the "line in 9/10 to computer in" was that I have a stereo splitter going to the headphones jack in the back of the computer. It take the signal from the headphone jack and splits it to the L+R 1/4" jacks on "line in 9/10". Is there a better way to remedy that and still work with FCP?
    The 1002 does have "tape in" L/R RCA inputs. (unoccupied).
    For the sake of lingo here, what is meant by "channel inputs" going to the "main mix output"?
    For the record also, I'm hooked up to a G5. It has an audio input jack and a headphone jack in the back of the tower. Which one is used for what???
  12. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    grrr ... :cry:
    I just lost a cool lengthy reply

    ... but to answer the direct question
    A mixer applies the input channels to the main bus at the chosen volume. The signals applied to the inputs are MIXED onto that bus.

    Much of what you will likely do is with single stereo signals.
    A switcher router makes good sense.

    I could give a history lesson here on Linear Video Editing with Editor Controller Audio Mixers but will only confuse.

    Manufacturers and Shops SELL these mixers and we buy them.
    ... just a pet peeve of mine.

    second question
    This is the Mac Sound port
    with the input Input Jack we can apply signals directly into the Mac and so FCP. This uses the Mac Analog to Digital Converter.
    The Headphone/Line Out is how you listen to the Mac.
    Again this uses the Mac conversion.

    This is were it might be handy to know what type of speaker system you use and if you use a video monitor perminantly on the DRS11.
    You haven't mentioned a specialist video card with I/O. I am assuming you make use of the Mac Firewire Port (IEEE-1394)

    When in normal editing mode, do you use the Mac screen for line monitoring or do you have the DRS11 in monitor mode and hang a Video Monitor off that ?
    If so how do you hear the sound ? ... via the Mac or the DSR11 ?

    this should look familiar

    I'll be back
  13. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    Hi Kev,

    I appreciate you keeping up with me. I do have an external monitor (13" Sony Trinitron). It is directly hooked up to the monitor. It does have a firewire hookup to the G5 and an s-video out to the miniDV deck.
    When I playback the timeline in FCP, I it will also be viewed on the external monitor.
    On the sound playback issue, whatever is played, either through the miniDV deck or working with FCP all sound comes through the main speakers of the whole system (Altec Lancing Subwoofer/desktop speakers.
    Hope this helps.
  14. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    ok yep

    I'll be back

    I have to say something again about your language/method of description.

    yes I am being picky and anal .... :?

    the monitor is the 13" sony !
    ... so I think, what you mean is you have the 13"Sony connected to the Monitor Output of the DSR11 miniDV tape deck.

    firewire IEEE1394 is a bidirectional port so it is both to and from both units.
    Mac G5 and DSR11

    help me out here
    out - to the miniDV deck .... signal FROM where ??


    from the Mac or from the main output of the mixer ?

    I think I would prefer to see this driven by the control room output of the 1002.

    The MAC can make a sound through it's front speaker or a small set of simple computer speakers.

    Just for fun , check this thread out.
    (Dead Link Removed)

    as I said I will be back ... :cool:
    can you read PDF files ?
  15. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    Response to Kev


    The s-video cable connects between the 13" monitor and the s-video out in the miniDV deck. The signal ultimately comes from the computer.
    I believe all sound comes through the mixer because I can control the volume through the mixerand the single volume control on the desktop speaker.
    Do you think that for the sound to be recorded on the miniDV deck that it needs a video signal as well and that is why the audio isn't being recorded.
    Do you have an idea to hookup directly to the miniDV deck straight from the mixer? I think that will be less confusing for me.
    So far the advice I have been given isn't working. The audio signal from the mixer is not capturing the signal.
    I have 1/4" plugs going from the CONTROL ROOM OUT to a stereo splitter plugged into the subwoofer.
    Yes I can read .PDFs.
  16. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    The S-video cable is fine. I had assumed it was a simple composite cable but that's not a problem.

    Controlling the volume at the mixer does indicate you have sound in the mixer. Be aware that there is a number of ways this can happen and they are subtely different.

    This is possible.

    No I haven't given you any real advice yet.
    here it comes


    and if you have trouble try a right click save as ...
  17. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    Kev, curiousity question?

    Hope you had a great holiday!

    I'm just curious if you know how to convert an MPEG-2 exported through FCP and converted through Studio Pro 3 and burnt on a DVD with no menus.
    WHat I mean by that is that when the DVD is burnt...when it goes into a DVD player, the show just plays over and over and repeats by just pressing the 'repeat' button.
    The manuals don't tell you how to do it with no menu selects.
    Well...maybe I just haven't looked hard enough.
    I would appreciate your help if you can. Thanks.
  18. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    that was a left turn
    did you solve the other problem and was the web page of any use ?
    I haven't finished it yet.

    The DVD authoring.
    I'm not an expert.

    Do you already have a DVD that will play in your DVD player just as you want ?

    I'm guessing you are trying to make a presentation system ...?

    can't think .... so I stole this from another forum ....

    ... Just set the first play of the disc to your track. Set the end jump of your track to itself. And there you have a continuously looping movie that plays by itself.
    David Nagel
    Executive Editor
    Digital Media Net

    This solved the problem for someone else so I hope it does the trick for you .... :cool:
  19. chrisusvi

    chrisusvi Guest

    Kev, It worked!!!!


    I'm not sure if you remember around Christmas time, I emailed you about recording sound only to my miniDV player with a Behringer UB1002 mixer with no video. You send me full instructions on how to hook up the wires.
    Believe it or not, I hook everything up today and with a little tweeking, I got it to record audio with no video. I was amazing.

    I want to thank you for your time and effort you put into helping me hook things up correctly.


    Chris H.
  20. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    Of course I do ... and the web page is still there.
    I've been thinking of doing a series of pages like that.

    any thoughts to topic ideas ?

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