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recording violin... cucco and kurt especially

Discussion in 'Recording' started by frob, Jul 25, 2005.

  1. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    i will be starting a new session with my band and i was just wondering two things. first how would you record the violin? think of it as a beethoven style solo violin. one more thing the violin, bow and musician are top notch and the room is treated(hanging form the topnotch)


    think about that...


    now same question keeping in mind that i have this to work with;
    sebatron 4000e
    goove tubes brick
    makie 1604 vlzpro
    tascam m35

    RCA 74b
    CAD m9
    2 kel hm1
    2 SP C4
    3 ev 636
    3 sm57
    1 rode nt1a
     
  2. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    bump...

    do need clarifacation? your opinions are valued. please asert them.
     
  3. Zilla

    Zilla Active Member

    What instrumentation and style does your band comprise of?
    What style of music does your band play and what is the concept for integrating a "beethoven" style violin into it?
    What kind of acoustic will you be recording in?
     
  4. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    im not adding anything. there is a violin in the band. im recording in a modern style recording studio. think of the room as a mid-large vocal booth about 10x14 with 10 foot ceilings.
     
  5. TheArchitect

    TheArchitect Active Member

    I'd probably try the Kel's. Strings can be a little screechy and I'd bet something without a presence bump would work well. I'd pick the Brick as well cause I am familiar with them but the Seb would probably be pretty kick ass as well.
     
  6. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Given your equipment options, it's almost unimportant what type of music you're recording.

    I would most definitely use the RCA.

    The problem is, you'll need a pre with decent gain -

    Try the Brick, but you'll likely need additional gain - take the line out from the Brick and patch it to the line in on the mackie and make up any additional gain there.

    Or, I don't know the Sebs, but a lot of people here really dig 'em, so I would say, give it a try. You can cascade multiple channels on it to get a usable gain out of it.

    I can't see any other mic that I would want to use on solo violin or accompanied/backing, etc violin. The pres- most of them will work, but I think the two "thicker" sounding pres would work the best.

    Hope this helps.

    BTW - be careful with double posts - I thought I saw this same post elsewhere on the board? It's considered spamming to do that.

    No harm, we'll only send someone to your house to rough you up and bash in your monitor... :lol:

    J.
     
  7. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    look at the dates this was here for two days before any one replyed. so i thought idput it where more people would see it thats all.
     
  8. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Don't worry - nobody will kill you. (Okay, Kurt might)

    It's frustrating sometimes - I've posted stuff that I wanted a reply to and didn't get one for over a month. Some poor sap must have run across it and gotten it bumped.

    FWIW, I never mind if someone PMs me or e-mails me directly (or heck, even calls me - all my info is on my webpage which is linked in my profile) just to ask me to reply to a post. I try to be on the ball, but I get a tad forgetful regarding the forums that I don't moderate.

    Thanks!

    J (y)
     
  9. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    i cant PM but ill try email next time, thanks
     
  10. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    oh yea if your interested in the band im recording the link is in my sig
    i didnt record there last album though i did the live stuff you can hear here
    http://www.myspace.com/phoenixandtheturtle
     
  11. Cucco

    Cucco Distinguished Member

    Mmmmm...
    Vall very pretty.

    Me feel tingly all over.

    :oops:
     
  12. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    yea shes marrying cahn (the other singer) next week.
     
  13. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    "Screechy" violins happen because people don't play correctly. If the player is talented, this is not usually a problem. I would go with one of the the small diaphragm mics over the shoulder (so the mic is hearing what the violin player hears), a foot or two above the sound board of the violin through the Sebatron (set flat). If that's too bright then switch to the HM-1. You will probably need to apply a few db's of compression to get the violin to set correctly in the mix, so the quieter passages don't get buried or the louder ones don't overwhelm.
     
  14. frob

    frob Well-Known Member

    this is what im planing;

    using the seb with a cardio c4 over the shoulder

    then under the violin sort of to the side use the RCA throught the brick(most likely) and use the seb if i need more gain. i will post some clips when i get it done.

    also screechy violins can come from good players if the engineer isnt paying attention. it happend at another studio.
     
  15. TheArchitect

    TheArchitect Active Member

    Very true... I just don't see many violins let alone one's with good players attached. :)
     
  16. tedw6

    tedw6 Guest

    screechy violin

    As a violin/fiddle player and recordist, one plays better some days than others - just like singers and every one else. I've recorded violin through a Demeter preamp with SP C4 at 135 degrees with the fiddle between them. I've gotten some good results in smoothing the sound using an aux channel with Waves Super-tap 2 chorused reflections and busing some of the violin there. Be careful not to use too much of the delay channel or the violin will sound "spacey."

    My $0.02,
    Ted Simon
    http://www.downhomefiddle.com
     

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