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recording vocals...PLEASE HELP!!!

Discussion in 'Vocals' started by nackattack, Feb 12, 2005.

  1. nackattack

    nackattack Guest

    I just recently purchased sonar 3 and man is it worlds beyond cakewalk pro 9! I am curious about how to rocord vocals. Should I be using my compressor at all or should I just use the noise gate, and let sonar's eq and compressor work for me. What frequencies should I boost in order to get that airy sound from my condensor and how close should I be to the mic when recording. it is a low end budget oktava going into presonus pre and then through behringer compressor, and finally into audiophile 2496. Please, any help would be just great...even if you just have suggestions or opinions that is all that I want.
    Ohh and I almost forgot, what is a good book for recording basics, I want to read up on it please, any suggestions.
  2. sameoldjake

    sameoldjake Guest

    Hey man, this is what i would suggest.

    I would run the mic to the preamp (of course) and preamp to the compressor. (so yes, use the compressor)

    Sonar 3 is nice and the plugins are nice, but you can't beat the real thing. Ive never used the mic your using, but I've used everything else.

    you're gonna have to play around with the presonus to get the sound you want but i ussually have the drive around 10 o clock and the gain around 1 oclock -- i think that's a good starting point for that unit. you can adjust it from their.

    Now the compressor, I like to hit it hard when i record a friend of mine had a home studio in his spare bedroom and I got his berringer compressor to sound like a Dbx (with less head room) If I remember correctly, i think i set the threshhold at -20 with a ratio of 4:1attack about 5 ms release about 400ms the i play with the gain till it's peaking around 0. (sometimes i record vocals in mono and run the left channel into the right side of the compressor theshhold 0 ratio infinite, .1ms attack 50 ms release. it works as a limiter if you want to push the vocals alittle harder. -- i'll tell you what we were recording the vocals and barely doing anything to them after that, maybe alittle compression on the bus just to squish all the vocals together. )

    that compressor isnt the greatest, but if you use those as a starting point and maybe toy around with it. as far as mixing stage maybe add alittle mid range with a wide Q and add alittle hi's until it sparkles, then pull it back alittle.

    ok that's probably information overload.... feel free to email me as well
  3. Kev

    Kev Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    welcome to Jake
    even if he is the same old jake

    first post and all he wants to do,
    is help someone

    as for the compressor,
    if in doubt ... go easy until you understand are sure about what you are doing
  4. sameoldjake

    sameoldjake Guest

    man i would totaly agree with you if he was using analog stuff to mix, but i've found if you dont get those vocals good the first time, chances are you'll never get quite right (with out running a tun of plugins at once slowing things up a bit)

    but under normal curcumstances that is really good advise as well.

    Same Old Jake is a my Mc name, i'm a rapper from cleveland. I have a really simple studio in my artment for recording vocals, then have a set up with another dude for doing bands and such. sometimes i work wit an extremly talented engineer up here that has all the bells and whistles, he is sorta teaching me, but i get most of my imfo from practising and reading.
  5. nackattack

    nackattack Guest

    Hey thanks

    Thanks a lot, that was great advice, and just so you all know I can never get over loaded with info. I soak all this stuff in. i will try these settings first thing when I record again. I think part of my problem is I don't really care for my voice all that much and all the teaking in world isn't going to change that. i can hold a tune but sometimes my pitch is just slightly off. man I wish i had enough money for voice lessons.
    One more question. Would I be better off using a computer drum sequencer or hardware for drums. I have fruity loops and it just sounds, well fruity! :D Should I get another program or try and find some decent drum patches for the existing program? Any ideas? And REMEMBER, I CAN NEVER HAVE TOO MUCH INFO!
  6. oadamy

    oadamy Guest

    I use fruity loops to create drum tracks for a lot of projects i work on. The first results were pretty discouraging, but now that i have a good handle on it, i've found FL to be a pretty capable program, and im pretty satisfied.

    DEFINITELY get new drum samples. you didn't make it clear what genre(s) of music your'e working on. but there's plenty of stuff out there.

    if you're looking for a more realistic, genuine drum sound...i've had good luck with some samples i found that were recorded at Blue Jay Studios. judging by my personal experience, other than the samples, the biggest key to realism is the use of the EQ, compression, and reverb. the effects in fruity loops aren't top-notch by any standards, but they still help immensely. Another thing that helps is to record all the drums via MIDI and then quantizing a little, instead of using the step sequencer.

    im still not happy with how sampled cymbals sound, so i've actually been recording REAL hihats and crashes over the [basic] drum track.
  7. nackattack

    nackattack Guest

    play mostly rock

    I play mostly rock music, (allbeit it is accoustic guitar). what web site would I go to in order to download some good rock patches. And I didn't know that I could use fl for midi, I will have to try that out.

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