Red book

Discussion in 'Mastering' started by MMH, Jan 13, 2005.

  1. MMH

    MMH Guest

    Which program and CD writer would you raccomend for acurate "Red Book" CD writing?

    I have a Mac (g5 - DP - OSX) :D
  2. mixandmaster

    mixandmaster Active Member

    Roxio Jam 6 writes redbook CDs...though no way to check for errors...
  3. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    Most burners will technically write a RED book CD. How accurate it is would be a guess without some kind of analyzer or tester. As for a program, depends on what you want to do. Jam will do it ok.
  4. MMH

    MMH Guest

    Thank you for the replies!

    Any suggestions (programs) to test the CD for errors?
    Which virgin CD would you reccomand?

    I am from South Africa and I am in the process of starting a mastering facility which I want to develop over time (as I don't have the capital to buy my dream list of equipment now, good gear is rare here and the exchange rate to the dollar is not very faroble).

    I have been using Sadie and Sonic S. in 2 different studios as a DAW with other analoge processing units.

    At present all I have is Logic and Protools with which I process the tracks. I need therefore a program which alows me to
    Peak and Cue the tracks and write out a CD ready for the CD plant. Is there anything else one could use instead of the above mentioned programs? Any other suggestions?
  5. TrilliumSound

    TrilliumSound Active Member

    I use Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim Data Life Plus. Never had problems!

  6. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    Are you running OS9 or OSX or do you have a dual boot computer? Waveburner pro works good but I don't think they have a good working one for OSX, OS9 works though.
  7. MMH

    MMH Guest

    I have OS X.
  8. mixandmaster

    mixandmaster Active Member

    Jam 6 and a Plextor Premium burner do the trick for me.
  9. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    Yup - PlexTools Professional (that only runs on and comes bundled with a Plextor Premium Series) is about the only decent BLER checking software that I know of - at least on a budget...
  10. daustin777

    daustin777 Guest

    RE: Which "virgin" discs?
    Here are some media tests I conducted last week.

    I'm using a Plextor Premium and PlexTools Pro for error checking media.

    Here's some results of various media.(summarized):
    CD-R Media Burn Tests
    I've completed the first run of tests.

    CD Audio tests were burned with CD Architect at 4x. 1- 10 minute sine wave was recorded. Low numbers are better. Number of allowed errors/sec = 220.
    Test conducted by reading the media with Plextor Premium drive and
    PlexTools Pro Software. Running C1/C2/CU
    Results below are sorted by TOTAL errors. Best results are at the top.

    BRAND________avg/sec_Max/sec___ Model__(total error)
    Verbatim________00.3__13__Digital Vinyl CD-R (165)
    Maxell__________00.4__14__CDR Music (230)
    Metroboards____ 00.9__14__Taiyo Yuden CDR-80ZYPA-ZM (255)
    HHB_____________00.4__10__CDR74_1-8X_Gold (261)
    Apogee__________01.6__18__CD74GAJ Gold Branded (560)
    Hp______________01.7__28__CR00012 48x 80min (936)
    TDK____________ 01.8__20__Data CD-R 52x (1059)
    Phillips CD-R___02.2__16__CDR80D52N/300 52x 80min (1067)
    Verbatim________03.1__25__Datalife Plus 48x 80min (1850)
    K Hypermedia____12.0__39__Digital Audio 80min (7168)
    Phillips CD-R___15.0__68__25pk spindle CD-R80 52x (8970)
    Memorex_________17.9__52__Black CD0R 48x 80 min (10703)
    ProMedia________19.3__47__Professional Class 52x 80m (11485)
    Sony__________2185.0 2523__CDR Music (1304640)(yup... I tried many discs)
  11. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    Holy cow! That Sony must've been "hand crafted" or something...

    I'd expect those numbers from the ProMedia... Those things are just horrible.
  12. daustin777

    daustin777 Guest

    I'm getting some more Sony's sent in from a guy on the east coast (I'm in CA) (hoping for a different ' Lot#' ) so I can test again.
  13. MMH

    MMH Guest

    Thank you fo the info.


    which error checkers are there, which are accurate behond budget restrain?

    Does one need an aditional program for accurate writing, on top of the Sonic or Sadie?

  14. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    MMH - Clover is the - less "budget friendly" option.

    For the most part, you don't need anything beyond whatever your PQ editor is to write - You DO need the additional error-checking beyond whatever "comparison" check might be included in your PQ editor. For example, Samplitude does a "comparison check" after the burn to make sure the file was written properly. It doesn't check the block error rate.
  15. MMH

    MMH Guest

    John - thank you for the reply

    Which PQ editor do you raccomend. I would appriciate if you could name a "budget friendly" one and a none"budget friendly" one.

  16. Massive Mastering

    Massive Mastering Well-Known Member

    I've turned into a hardcore Samplitude freak. I use Samplitude Professional. That's basically my favorite. Haven't found a reason to go up to Sequoia... Can't even get one from Sequoia users.

    Other than that, I understand there is a stripped-down version called Samplitude Master that's crazy cheap, but I would imagine it uses similar PQ editing and burning tools. There's some sort of WaveLab "lite" version I've heard about also...

    No idea what the limitations are on either of them.
  17. MMH

    MMH Guest

    John, thank you

    If I may ask, how does Samplitude (or Sequoia) compare to Sonic or Sadie. These are the 2 programs I have been using for both PQ and CD burning.

    Again thank you, I am learning much by speaking with you

    MMH (South Africa)
  18. Michael Fossenkemper

    Michael Fossenkemper Distinguished past mastering moderator Well-Known Member

    I got a great demo of sequoia at the AES show and I think it has a lot of stuff that is very similar to sonic. I think it's a great program. I am seriously considering moving to this platform. But for some reason I just can't give up on Mac yet.

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