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REDD47 Mic Pre

Discussion in 'Pro Audio Equipment' started by faderider, Aug 8, 2004.

  1. faderider

    faderider Guest

    Hello,

    I'm new to recording.org and seeking advice about the REDD47 mic pre. In a previous thread I saw that there are different manufacturers like Hinson and MAL, and I've found a new one from Revolution.

    http://www.redd47.com/REDD47Info.html

    Does anyone have any experience with the Revolution units? The site says it's just starting to ship, and doesn't provide any specs. Maybe someone has had a chance to preview it or better yet, compare it to the MAL.

    Thanks,
    Mark
     
  2. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Mark,
    Thanks for bringing this to my attention .. I have sent a request for a review unit and I should be receiving one to test in the next few weeks, according to the company rep. The unit retails at $3000 for a single channel unit. I really like the look of this unit, very retro with large massive toggle switches and chickenhead knobs. It the Redd 47 sounds anything like it looks, it should be phenomenal!
     
  3. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    If memory serves, The Redd 47 mic pre comes from a console used in Abbey Road Studios. The Beatles recorded some of their stuff using them.
     
  4. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    There's a very cool blurb at the link Mark posted .

    "Originally designed under the direction of Mr. Len A. Page of the EMI Record Engineering Development Department (REDD), the REDD.47 amplifier was the sole active circuitry in the REDD.51 mixing desk. Having superceded the REDD.37, which utilized Siemens & Halske V72 amplifiers, REDD.51 represented the pinnacle of vacuum-tube mixing desk design."

    There's a bit more there and some cool pics / grapphics as well.

    I will be getting one in a few weeks for a very short 12 day trial period.

    The units are hand built by one person and they claim they can do about 5 per month. Pricey! $3K for a single channel. I am very curious about it and am waiting patiently for the review unit to arrive.
     
  5. Johnson Cabasa

    Johnson Cabasa Active Member

    so now your doing reviews wth your eyes
     
  6. Is it just me or did JC's little flame seem kind of weak and tired? Take your vitamins old chap! David
     
  7. edboy7

    edboy7 Guest

    hmmm...3k?...Kurt, do u know what tubes are used?..thanks
     
  8. Fruition2k

    Fruition2k Active Member

    edboy7...
    I've posted a little here in this newgroup about the REDD 47 John built for me back in 2000.. Now that the word is out and John's site is up and production has started, I'll post more about my 4 year experience with this amazing mic pre in the next day or so if anyone is interested.
    BTW the tubes are one EF806S and one E88CC.
     
  9. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    yes dean post your info and a sound clip if you can thanks
     
  10. Kurt Foster

    Kurt Foster Distinguished Member

    Eyes, ears, nose and throat (when I sing) hands, feet (in the case of a foot contoler) and butt (in the case of deep bass). What ever I got!
     
  11. Denney

    Denney Guest

    Hi AudioGaff,
    Yes that's right. For anyone who's interested, the Beatles Albums that were recorded using the desk with REDD47 amps are:

    'A Hard Day's Night'
    'Beatles For Sale'
    'Help!'
    'Rubber Soul'
    'Revolver'
    'Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'
    'The Beatles' (White Album)
    'Yellow Submarine'
    'Let It Be'

    There were also the many recordings that were released as singles that weren't initially on albums, such as 'Ticket To Ride'/ 'Yes It Is', 'We Can Work It Out'/'Day Tripper', 'Paperback Writer'/'Rain', 'Strawberry Fields Forever'/ 'Penny Lane' etc. All in all, quite a catalogue!
    Den
     
  12. AudioGaff

    AudioGaff Well-Known Member

    WOW, I knew it was used for many songs but I didn't know so many Beatles songs were recorded with the REDD47. Thanks for the insight Denny.. I guess I need to hear one, or better yet just add it to my must have gear list...

    Hey Dean, I'm interested. What about those comments you promised on your REDD47 experiences?
     
  13. Screws

    Screws Active Member

    As one who has heard a few of Dean's simple, off the cuff test recordings with his Neumann M269c and the Redd47 all I can say is, OMG. Air and detail, smooth and warm, 3 dimensional and rich. Not to mention Dean's wife's voice and songs are gorgeous as well.

    Dean, long time no see! Miss ya.
     
  14. Fruition2k

    Fruition2k Active Member

    Thanks kind words Steve,
    Most of the compliments can go to John Hinson as well as the REDD/EMI team from the past. Almost all of the tracks Screws mentioned were recorded through an RE20, live 16 bit. Which brings me to my main point about this mic pre, the REDD47 costs may seem high but in light of all high priced vintage/tube mics new and old I would sell all my mics before I would the REDD.
    No matter if its my SM57,RE20, M380, KM254, M269...etc the depth and beauty of what it accomplishes is evident in each and all of the mics. I Recently told John that everytime I hear the tracks I've cut through it I just want to call him and thank him over and over.

    I will say my quest has always been for a satisfying musical recording..and satisfied I've been.
    We can try to discuss "how it sounds compared to brand __" etc...etc...I've tried almost everything at one time or another from discrete class A, tube, to other popular designs,.. I just havent been interested in anything else since it arrived in early 2000. For those curious, sitting next to my REDD is a pair of Daking pre/eqs which I actually use for the eq more than the pre, I might add Geoffrey Daking is another one who recreated the legendary Trident "A" range circuit/channel and has been very successful at it.

    For projects needing that gritty, strident, and thin sounds - its not going to be found in the REDD!
    Most challenging thing to describe...
    Not tubey first of all...the way people define "the tube sound" but instead extreme clarity throughout, big wide midrange and silky powdery highs that climb up to and are rolled off at 25k. On vocal hard consanants like "K's" and "C's" rounded off slightly and silky as I stated...(one of my favorite things to listen for throughout the vocal track). Vocals come out sounding like....you can hear every word and the sound it gives is one you want hear again and again.
    Mixing is much simpler, what a relief to not have to reach for another eq...less tweaking, less compression, everything sits together without fighting for space. For me one of the hardest things to record/produce has been...a song that you want to hear over and over and I'm speaking in terms that the song its parts and arrangements are good. This pre gets me there, now people say after they hear a track, what mic is that? what are you recording to? whos singing!!? what studio did you do that at? all the guesses they can think of then I say its the mic pre, a REDD 47...........tube..mic pre..............umm..........its a recreation of a console that was in Abbey Road.......that usually does it. Noone knows what I'm talking about!
    The EMI TG consoles that have been rediscovered and outboard gear (new & old) have put a strange spin on everything too, people think everything the Beatles cut was using all TG stuff...I'm sure they're great in some ways. But its just the opposite, the TG had its glory for about a year or so when it came to the Beatles recordings. Any of you guys read the new Tape Op with Alan Parsons and read the article about certain TG items (in the original console that is)..?
    For those who may not know the TG consoles (transistor) replaced the REDD 51 (W/REDD47), and the two REDD 37's (W/V72S) sometime in late '68..John will want to elaborate about this I'm sure. In Geoff Emericks words from a past MIX magazine interview he states almost of everything (90%) the Beatles recorded occured in studio 2 at Abbey Road. Which is where the REDD 51 lived for several years.
    At home my studio is just a private project studio I'm currently using Protools, Lucid 9624AD, a pair of EAG passive eq's, an Inovonics 201 limiter, DeltaLab, Roland SRV2000, Dakings, REDD 47, and Dynaudio BM6A's. And my typical channel strip is Mic - REDD - Passive EQ - Lucid AD conv.

    I've covered only a little of my experiences, I'll post more as time permits.
     
  15. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    dean where does one buy one of these preamps
     
  16. Denney

    Denney Guest

    Hey Mike,
    You can send an email directly to Kurt at Revolution Recording Equipment, he'll be able to take care of you. His address is: kurt@redd47.com You could also call (415) 459-8907.
    Cheers,

    Den
     
  17. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    Revolution --who makes this unit
     
  18. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    ill be all ears to hear Kurts review on this one ---
     
  19. mikE@THECAVE

    mikE@THECAVE Guest

    does'nt dave marrquette sell the same pre for less$$
     
  20. Denney

    Denney Guest

    Revolution Recording Equipment make the REDD47. It is a new company that was started by the engineer who designed quite a few of the Universal Audio products as well as the mic pres for Mercury.
    With the exception of the original amps built by EMI, all the REDD47s, including the one that David Marquette sold, were built by this same engineer - John Hinson. As far as I know, the Marquette REDD47 is no longer available but he is a dealer for the updated Revolution unit.

    Den
     
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